Slam-dunk case for drafting OG in Round 1

[the0rangecrush]

Normally, you'd be right of course. Just draft according to who the best player is.

But, they don't even have ONE starting DT unless you think that Warren is good enough, and frankly I don't know how anybody can assume that since he hasn't played in almost 3 years.

Vickerson is a career backup -the fact that they were considering starting him last year was just proof that they had no good DTs -- and McBean is being suspended for 6 games.

Well, the defense sucked again last year due to feeble DL play, despite having one pretty decent DE in Ayers, and one All-Pro in Dumervil, and having the NFL Rookie of the Year at RLB.

And to make matters worse, the ONE guy who wasn't completely worthless, Bunkley, signed with the Saints.

They can't afford to ignore DT in the first round because they don't have any and there's no guarantee they can draft one in the second.

I disagree they will take whoever they like most, whoever will have the greatest impact. We did it with Miller and we will do it again. Plus you can get good DT other ways, we got Bunk through a trade.

[ERoyal248]

Normally, you'd be right of course. Just draft according to who the best player is.

But, they don't even have ONE starting DT unless you think that Warren is good enough, and frankly I don't know how anybody can assume that since he hasn't played in almost 3 years.

Vickerson is a career backup -the fact that they were considering starting him last year was just proof that they had no good DTs -- and McBean is being suspended for 6 games.

Well, the defense sucked again last year due to feeble DL play, despite having one pretty decent DE in Ayers, and one All-Pro in Dumervil, and having the NFL Rookie of the Year at RLB.

And to make matters worse, the ONE guy who wasn't completely worthless at DT, Bunkley, signed with the Saints.

They can't afford to ignore DT in the first round because they don't have any and there's no guarantee they can draft one in the second. By failing to sign a FA they've left themselves in desperate shape there. Unless they're just content to let their defense suck and be ranked somewhere in the mid to late 20's they better get moving and find a stud DT somewhere!

I agree, but i wouldn't REACH for a DT just b/c we need one in the biggest way.

Like say if Reyes and Worthy are the only good DT's on the board, i wouldn't take one of them just b/c it feels a need. Could get one in the 2nd rd with Chapman or Taamu, but yeah, our DT situation is really, really bad.

I'm not putting much hope in Warren, i do think Vickerson do OK.

[Joshecalpoly]

We are BPA draft team and these are the likely best players available in the 1st

Stephen Gilmore CB
Jerel Worthy DT
Devon Still DT
Stephen Hill WR
Kevin Zeitler OG

You cannot tell me that Zeitler over any of these guys, as for DeCastro, Poe has more of chance of falling then he does. KC would be foolish to pass him up, and if not them the Cardinals will be happy to have him.

[7MileHIGH7]

Im all for drafting a DT round 1. It makes all the sense in the world. But Im often wondering how important DTs are to Foxs overall scheme. What are the DTs asked to do? Is there a desired rotation rate between several guys?


We know Fox runs a one gap scheme that likes to create pressure with 4 guys. With Miller rushing at the OLB postion and Ayers ability at UT...... that lessens the need for a pass rushing specialist from the interior (if only slightly in ceartain situations). Fox has never drafted a DT in the first 3 rounds. Maybe Foxs vision of a front seven doesnt require game changing DTs and he perfers allocating resources to more impact positions for his scheme? Is altitude the reason Denver never drafts a DT high?

Im playing devels advocate, but these thoughts often cross my mind whenever I read about a DT being the slam dunk choice in the 1st. All signs point that way, but something about it doesnt settle right with me.

[7MileHIGH7]

[QUOTE=Cugel;4380150]Normally, you'd be right of course. Just draft according to who the best player is.

But, they don't even have ONE starting DT unless you think that Warren is good enough, and frankly I don't know how anybody can assume that since he hasn't played in almost 3 years.

Vickerson is a career backup -the fact that they were considering starting him last year was just proof that they had no good DTs -- and McBean is being suspended for 6 games. QUOTE]

When I found out that Vickerson was slated to start before his injury, my first reaction was, maybe the Broncos valued him more than many of us think? He did have a solid season in 10'.

[Joshecalpoly]

Hes said he wants penetrating impactive DT's before, types like a healthy Crick or the next best thing Worthy. Though that was under the last DC and Del Rio is supposed to have most control over the DT since Fox likes to deligate.

Corey Irvin 2009 Draft 3rd round
Nick Hayden 2008 Draft 6th
Atiyyah Ellison 2005 Draft 3rd
Kindal Moorehead 2003 Draft 5th

Truth is under Fox the highest hes ever drafted a DT is the 3rd, but he took advantage of Jenkins who was drafted the year before in the 2nd.

[broncos SB2010]

Hes said he wants penetrating impactive DT's before, types like a healthy Crick or the next best thing Worthy. Though that was under the last DC and Del Rio is supposed to have most control over the DT since Fox likes to deligate.

Corey Irvin 2009 Draft 3rd round
Nick Hayden 2008 Draft 6th
Atiyyah Ellison 2005 Draft 3rd
Kindal Moorehead 2003 Draft 5th

Truth is under Fox the highest hes ever drafted a DT is the 3rd, but he took advantage of Jenkins who was drafted the year before in the 2nd.

Last year JDR went Alualu 10th overall and Knighton in the 3rd round with his first 2 picks

[7MileHIGH7]

Hes said he wants penetrating impactive DT's before, types like a healthy Crick or the next best thing Worthy. Though that was under the last DC and Del Rio is supposed to have most control over the DT since Fox likes to deligate.

Corey Irvin 2009 Draft 3rd round
Nick Hayden 2008 Draft 6th
Atiyyah Ellison 2005 Draft 3rd
Kindal Moorehead 2003 Draft 5th

Truth is under Fox the highest hes ever drafted a DT is the 3rd, but he took advantage of Jenkins who was drafted the year before in the 2nd.

I almost think Fox doesnt care about the interior pass rush like most NFL teams. We know Fox perfers very atheletic ends and creating pressure from the outside. He may just fill the roster with some one gap run stuffers and hog the middle. Those kind of players are easier to find in the draft and come cheaper in free agency, like Justin Bannan.

[Joshecalpoly]

Last year JDR went Alualu 10th overall and Knighton in the 3rd round with his first 2 picks

Yes Jack Del Rio has a greater appreciation, so it could go either way, and we still dont know if like last year we will be having a DT rotation, if so 1st and 2nd rounders on rotational starters is a bit over the top

I almost think Fox doesnt care about the interior pass rush like most NFL teams. We know Fox perfers very atheletic ends and creating pressure from the outside. He may just fill the roster with some one gap run stuffers and hog the middle. Those kind of players are easier to find in the draft and come cheaper in free agency, like Justin Bannan.

Yes Chapman and Howard would be good examples of this, neither are impactive but both have the ability to stay up plug a hole and are fairly cheap. Yet neither command double teams they both can use their weight well

Me personally I like Sweezy who can get into the backfield nicely but is horrible as an anchor (4th), but his endurance is low and is probably at best a borderline rotational starter

Though if we want a sleeper who wont get drafted Ryan Van Bergen is a good DE/DT pass rusher.

[JvDub95]

I like our tackles with Harris and Clady provided Harris is Harris and he is pissed off. Walton, beatles cooper and frankiln. of the bunch Franklis showed great run "road grading" blocking last year. I would definately have him at guard. I would look to upgrade the other three with anyone not currently dead.

A 6'7" 330 lb guard? If that were to happen he would be the largest guard in the entire league. He is built to play tackle and that is where he should stay. Kuper is fine, he does his job and is a solid anchor for Peyton. Beadles I think is going to be a lot better than what he has showed so far, just my hunch.

Walton to me is the only question mark. We can't accurately judge what he is going to be like because he has never played with this caliber of QB before. Orton crumbles under pressure and Tebow holds on to the ball for 10 seconds. Peyton get rid of the ball in under 3, huge difference. Imo, the O-line is fine and will do a great job of protecting #18 and creating monster holes for our RB's

[Cugel]

I almost think Fox doesnt care about the interior pass rush like most NFL teams. We know Fox perfers very atheletic ends and creating pressure from the outside. He may just fill the roster with some one gap run stuffers and hog the middle. Those kind of players are easier to find in the draft and come cheaper in free agency, like Justin Bannan.

Justin Bannan = Sam Adams. Old and in the way!


"What could possibly go wrong?"

[7MileHIGH7]

Justin Bannan = Sam Adams. Old and in the way!


"What could possibly go wrong?"

Adams has AT LEAST 150+ pounds on Bannan in his head alone.

Beggers cant be chosers. Maybe adding a vet isnt a good idea, but Im thinking its more likely than the Broncos adding project DT. The Broncos have no time to develope raw prospects with premium picks. They need players to come in a contribute right away. Hopefully a DT will be available and make a difference because its superbowl or bust.

[CasualFan]

DeCastro will be LONG gone by the time we pick, probably to KC at 11 or Dal at 14.

Well, he went #24. Missed by a single slot...damn you Tebow for beating Pittsburgh....