Turbin and Worthy to visit Broncos

[Wedge-92]

1-rd Devon Still DT
2-rd Mike Martin DT
3-rd Robert Turbin RB
4-rd DeQuan Menzie CB
4-rd Josh Norman CB
5-rd Kellen Moore QB
6-rd Tony Clemons WR

[fraguela09]

Here's the same site analysis of Worthy:


Makes me think this guy could be a plug in on run-defense, but would struggle to generate consistent pressure at the next level unless he learns to utilize better technique.

You would think with his quickness and unique burst that he would be ideal for a possible penetrating DT. Especially if OTs are worried about Elvis & Doom.

I would also imagine he would be a 3rd down or nickle/dime, pass-rushing DT, as we use Vickerson & Mcbean to stop the run on 1st & 2nd down.

From what I've read, it appears Worthy is the best shot we have at getting a QB wrecking ball, while Michael Brockers would be the best run-stuffing DT on the board.

Why do you think Werthy isn't a pass rushing threat?

I'm not high on PENN ST DL, so Still would not get me excited. But I really do not know much about this particular Nittany Lion. I feel Cox & Ingram will be gone though. I wouldn't touch Poe or Couples. So, with our pick, it appears it boils down to Still, Werthy or Brockers (if we go DL). I'm cool with any of these 3. I'm not sure Reyes is 1st round, but maybe he could be.

Anyway, I think Kirkpatrick, Kontz-Glenn, Wilson-Martin-Millar would also be in the mix. I would venture to guess we pick one of these 10 players.

If I had to draw up a big board:

Kirkpatrick

(Probably wont be here, & if he still is then he's probably the lone prospect left that some team would trade up to grab).

Kontz
Werthy
Still
Wilson
Brockers
Martin
Glenn
Miller
Reyes

[Cugel]

Here's the same site analysis of Worthy:

6'3"
310 lbs.
Prototypical size and strength. Elite quickness off the snap. Has the size to play any role on the interior line; strong enough to play nose tackle, although it would be a waste of his athleticism to stick him there. Will make some plays in pursuit. A vocal leader on and off the field.

Weaknesses:
Tends to focus too much on getting into the backfield; needs to do a better job of staying in his space and holding his ground at the point of attack against the run. Needs to improve his overall awareness and vision on the field; bites on fakes too often and loses track of the ball carrier. Doesn’t shed blocks as easily as you’d expect considering his size; if he doesn’t win with his explosion of the snap, he’s a very average performer. Stamina may be a concern; plays at an elite level in short bursts, but doesn’t maintain it throughout the game. Lets his emotions get the best of him at times and will play out of control which results in unnecessary penalties.

Comments:
Worthy flashes the ability to dominate at times, but he just doesn’t have the consistency to warrant a 1st-round pick. His conditioning is noticeably an issue, and something that will prevent him from being a three-down lineman at the next level. He does have the ability to be a difference maker however, and will have his fair share of highlight reel plays. That said, he’s also the type of guy who plays to the camera. He’s vocal, and does all the things that get you noticed on the field, but doesn’t do a lot of the little things that make an interior lineman truly great.

Makes me think this guy could be a plug in on run-defense, but would struggle to generate consistent pressure at the next level unless he learns to utilize better technique.

[-Rod-]

I'd be happy with Worthy. I think his technique can translate instantly to the NFL, and being in a rotation will truly help him stay fresh. He was relied upon heavily at Michigan State and as a result his play would dip towards the end of the game. Getting him (and presumably another DT later) will help give the rotation a blend of upside, youth, to go along with our existing veteran presence.

I like Jerel Worthy. I had him as the 1st round pick in my mock. I don't know if Mayock got his rankings from conversations with NFL people, but he currently has Worthy as the #2 DT, which means he would not be available at #25. Worthy is inconsistent like most DTs (they get tired in those trenches) but he has a quick first step and some pass rushing moves. He was responsible for reading the formation of the offense before the snap, changing the gaps of the DL if necessary. He must have a good football IQ.

As for Turbin, I haven't seen enough of him to draw my own conclusions. He looks a bit like Marion Barber from the good ole highlight tapes. He knows how to get low, his leg drive is impressive, and he appears to have enough speed to break long gains. He'd be a nice back to pair with a true pass catching threat similar to Moreno. Is anyone familiar with his pass protection?

Turbin is not incredibly powerful or fast, but he has a good combination of both. He can produce big runs with an extra gear. I think ball security was not an issue. I wish he was a more decisive runner, but this aspect of his game can be improved by the coaches. Turbin was used in shotgun formations, catching passes and protecting the QB. According to NFL.com,pass protection is his weakness.

[Cugel]

Here's somebody who thinks I'm wrong and that Michael Brockers will still be on the board at #25 and will be taken by the Broncos. Personally, I think he'll be gone in the top 20, to the Eagles, Bengals or Chargers:

Ht: 6’5″
Wt: 300

Strengths:
Prototypical height and overall size. Athletically gifted for his size. . . .Does a nice job fighting through double teams. Strong interior pass rusher; only two sacks in 2011, but was consistently in the backfield pressuring the quarterback. Has a nice array of moves to shed blocks; relies heavily on spin move. Quick off the snap; builds momentum quickly. Does a nice job keeping his eyes in the backfield and tracking the ball carrier. Height and long arms allows him disrupt passing lanes.

Weaknesses:
Needs to learn to play with leverage; plays too upright at times, making it easier for offensive linemen to knock him off course, especially in run defense. Much more polished as a pass rusher than against the run at this stage in his career. Lacks the dominant size and strength to consistently hold up at the point of attack against the run.

Comments:
A few years ago Brockers would not have been as highly regarded, but we’re starting to see a new breed of interior linemen pop up around the NFL. It has become a pass-first league, and teams are tending to favor on interior linemen who can pressure the quarterback, even if they’re a liability against the run. This description fits Brockers perfectly. He’s an athletic big man with an impressive motor who should be able to make an immediate impact. He may never be a truly well-rounded lineman, but in the right system he can be a difference maker.

I imagine that EFX are looking for a better run stuffer but it's rare to find a guy with his kind of pass-rush potential at #25 so they could take him if he fell that far.

On the upside, a lot of college DTs need to learn to play with more leverage so that's not all that surprising that he's a bit raw. You could probably make that complaint about most of these guys.

The alternative if they want a guy who they can plug in and have him be a better run defender would be Jerel Worthy.

I'd be happy with either guy to be honest. It's been so long since they took a DT in the first two rounds that any decent prospect has to be exciting.

[Cugel]

I wonder if KC would cut Dorsey, he may fit in well in a 4-3 defense like Denver. Wasn't that the big adjustment he had to make was go from a 4-3 in college to a 3-4?

Glenn Dorsey was drafted in the top 5. You expect a guy taken that high to become a consistent pro-bowl player and he's stuck in a 3-4 where he doesn't generate much pass rush.

I wonder too what he could do if he were in a 4-3 like in Denver, but his $50 million contract would be a huge disincentive for KC to trade him until his contract expires.

Then they might not re-sign him, but he's not going anywhere while he's still under contract.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Xanders told the world we were interested in Julius Thomas like 2 days before the draft

we then traded up in the 4th to get him

my guess is if we really love Turbin we will trade up in the third

I also do think we will draft a DT with one of our 1st or 2nd rounders
I dont think this staff is allergic to DTs, as supposedly we were looking at Wilkerson if he slid
and were planning on taking Jarvis Jenkins with one of our 2nds but the Skins drafted him higher than expected

[Snarfalicious]

Von Miller.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ler-today.html



Quinton Carter and Julius Thomas.

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=701...quinton-carter



http://broncotalk.net/2012/04/33916/...visitsresults/

I'd be happy with Worthy. I think his technique can translate instantly to the NFL, and being in a rotation will truly help him stay fresh. He was relied upon heavily at Michigan State and as a result his play would dip towards the end of the game. Getting him (and presumably another DT later) will help give the rotation a blend of upside, youth, to go along with our existing veteran presence.

As for Turbin, I haven't seen enough of him to draw my own conclusions. He looks a bit like Marion Barber from the good ole highlight tapes. He knows how to get low, his leg drive is impressive, and he appears to have enough speed to break long gains. He'd be a nice back to pair with a true pass catching threat similar to Moreno. Is anyone familiar with his pass protection?

[-Rod-]

I wouldn't mind at all if the Broncos took Worthy, but I ask you, "when was the last time Denver drafted a player they worked out prior to the draft?"

Von Miller.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ler-today.html

The Denver Broncos are working out Texas A&M outside linebacker Von Miller today in College Station, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

Quinton Carter and Julius Thomas.

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=701...quinton-carter

The Denver Broncos are scheduled to conduct a private workout with University of Oklahoma S Quinton Carter, according to Charlie Campbell, of PewterReport.com.

http://broncotalk.net/2012/04/33916/...visitsresults/

The Broncos ended up drafting three players they had worked out/visits with, Miller (2nd), Carter (108th) and tight end Julius Thomas (129th).

[Cugel]

Agreed.

However, I wouldn't touch Michael Brockers. He has talent, but he's strictly a 1-year wonder. Also, LSU annually gives the NFL crappy d-line prospects that look good thanks to the talent around them.

Brockers will almost certainly be gone by #25 so it shouldn't be an issue. He's likely to be gone by #15 when the Eagles pick. They love DL with their first rounders.

The Bengals at #17 and the Chargers at #18 could also take him if the Eagles pass.

I wouldn't mind at all if the Broncos took Worthy, but I ask you, "when was the last time Denver drafted a player they worked out prior to the draft?"

This makes me nervous as I suspect it's a smoke screen and that they are really NOT thinking about drafting a DT and are merely trying to fool other teams into thinking they will. :nono:

[blonddad]

This is exactly what I'm wondering and I expect the Broncos to reach for Turbin. I wouldn't mind it if we did as long as it isn't a ridiculous reach.

If the Broncos really want Turbin they should probably try to trade up to earlier in the third round. My guess is he will be gone by the time it is Denver's pick if they stand pat. He is a quality pick but not enough to grab earlier than third round. He would be a great addition. He is a hoss with a super work ethic.

[HavoK471]

The Broncos' strong interest in Turbin is evident. If the league sees him as a 3rd round value, the other interested teams already know they can't let Turbin fall to the Broncos' 3rd round pick. There might be an interesting battle for this player during the 3rd round. Would the Broncos trade up for him?

This is exactly what I'm wondering and I expect the Broncos to reach for Turbin. I wouldn't mind it if we did as long as it isn't a ridiculous reach.

[-Rod-]

The Broncos' strong interest in Turbin is evident. If the league sees him as a 3rd round value, the other interested teams already know they can't let Turbin fall to the Broncos' 3rd round pick. There might be an interesting battle for this player during the 3rd round. Would the Broncos trade up for him?

[Turf Nazi]

I dis agree glenn dorsey has looked good I really liked nevis last year but I don't understand how he fits in to 3-4

I wonder if KC would cut Dorsey, he may fit in well in a 4-3 defense like Denver. Wasn't that the big adjustment he had to make was go from a 4-3 in college to a 3-4?

[MileHigh Salute]

Love Turbin

Turbin is a pur beast. He has size and speed, which is a very dangerous combo. Not sure of his pass catching ability, but as a ground and pound back this guy is as good as any in the draft.

At Utah St. he consistently showed he could run against SEC talented defensive fronts because the Aggies often played tough out of conference opposition.

He would be a nice addition to the Denver backfield and fit right into the Jon Fox mold of a back with between tackle power and break away speed.