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  • DJ's BACK! New Mock Draft.

    Trade 1st and 2nd round pick to move up in draft. I think Nix will only be available in the top 15. He's been the most dominant DT in the country next to Hankins. I think a trade with the Miami Dolphins will be possible because while we get a dominant DT, they can get two dominant WR's. Why should it matter to either of us that we're both getting a ot better when we rarely play each other?


    1. Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame (via Mia)
    Nix’s stats won’t make your jaw drop, but that doesn’t make him any less a crucial cog in Notre Dame’s defense. A 6-3, 340-pound nose guard, Nix continues the theme of massive men in the trenches for the Irish, and his job is simple: command double team after double team and free up his teammates to get the glory. It’s a task he accomplishes with frightening consistency. Nix is a load to block in the middle. We need a DT to pair with Vickerson in the 4-3, and to man the NT when we get in the 3-4.

    3. Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford (via Mia)
    Okay here we go again with a chance to draft a Doug Martin. Taylor is an impressive RB who is multidimensional. He is very productive as both a runner and pass receiver. Runs with high effort, very good pad level and can make multiple defenders miss on a single play. Quick and shifty through the line of scrimmage. He is a natural vision runner with a great feel for creases and cutback lanes. Taylor is a big reason the Cardinal ground game is top notch. Has the prototype size desired for the next level. Has all the attributes the solid NFL starting RB’s possess.

    3. Robert Lester, S, Alabama
    Lester is a good overall free safety who defends the deep part of the field well. He has more ballhawking skills than most safety prospects and will have three years of starting experience entering the NFL. Lester has good instincts and does a good job of reading a quarterback's eyes. He covers a lot of ground in the deep part of field. He has nice closing speed and rarely is caught out of position. Lester is a technically sound tackler in the ground game. He is also versatile because of his size. He is big enough to be an in-the-box run defender with the speed to cover the deep part of the field in pass coverage. Lester projects to being a good man-cover safety on tight ends and receivers. With three years starting in the SEC, Lester should be able to play quickly after getting drafted. I love the job our safeties have been doing but we can't keep them all. We also need to be able to have a coverage safety on TE's. A weakness of ours.

    4. Michael Buchanan, DE/OLB, Illinois
    5. Baker Steinkhuler, DT/DE, Nebraska
    6. BPA
    7. BPA

    As you can see, the top three picks are from winners. We may also be able to get the best DT and RB in this draft. With DJ coming back and Woodyard's I see us transitioning to more hybrid defense. This draft is all D besides Taylor, although we may be able to find some dynamism at the bottom of the draft for the O or ST, something like a speedy slot receiver or punt-blocking specialist.
    Last edited by ZeusOnEarth; 11-17-2012, 01:17 PM.

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    Thoughts???

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    • #3
      I like the angle you are taking. I don't follow enough college to comment on the individual players though. Did you number things wrong you go 1,3,3
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      • #4
        I don't like it, sorry. I doubt we would trade up to grab a DT; we're more likely to sit back and see what falls to us IMO. Also, where's the WR help? Stokely is getting pretty old and Matthew Willis sucks. We need a WR in a big way. On the other hand, I don't think safety is a big need anymore. Moore has been playing well, plus we still have Leonhard, Adams, and Carter; and Bruton is the special teams beast.

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        • #5
          This draft has a bunch of good players in it but no real great players in it worth giving up a 1st and 2nd rounder for! Nix has a large up side but not worthy of our first two draft choices.

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          • #6
            Top needs are MLB, WR, DT

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            • #7
              Dont like the trade. 1st and 2nd round for Nix? I like him but i dont think thats worth it.

              I like Stepfan Taylor.

              Robert Lester is okay. Dont hate the pick. Dont love it either. Hes a good deep safety and i dont think thats what were really looking for. I see us going for a more in the box, more physical player. Hes big, but not very physical. Reminds me of how Rahim Moore is now with tackling.

              Im good with the Buchanan pick.

              Never really watched the Baker guy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ZeusOnEarth View Post
                Trade 1st and 2nd round pick to move up in draft. I think Nix will only be available in the top 15. He's been the most dominant DT in the country next to Hankins. I think a trade with the Miami Dolphins will be possible because while we get a dominant DT, they can get two dominant WR's. Why should it matter to either of us that we're both getting a ot better when we rarely play each other?


                1. Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame (via Mia)
                Nix’s stats won’t make your jaw drop, but that doesn’t make him any less a crucial cog in Notre Dame’s defense. A 6-3, 340-pound nose guard, Nix continues the theme of massive men in the trenches for the Irish, and his job is simple: command double team after double team and free up his teammates to get the glory. It’s a task he accomplishes with frightening consistency. Nix is a load to block in the middle. We need a DT to pair with Vickerson in the 4-3, and to man the NT when we get in the 3-4.

                3. Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford (via Mia)
                Okay here we go again with a chance to draft a Doug Martin. Taylor is an impressive RB who is multidimensional. He is very productive as both a runner and pass receiver. Runs with high effort, very good pad level and can make multiple defenders miss on a single play. Quick and shifty through the line of scrimmage. He is a natural vision runner with a great feel for creases and cutback lanes. Taylor is a big reason the Cardinal ground game is top notch. Has the prototype size desired for the next level. Has all the attributes the solid NFL starting RB’s possess.

                3. Robert Lester, S, Alabama
                Lester is a good overall free safety who defends the deep part of the field well. He has more ballhawking skills than most safety prospects and will have three years of starting experience entering the NFL. Lester has good instincts and does a good job of reading a quarterback's eyes. He covers a lot of ground in the deep part of field. He has nice closing speed and rarely is caught out of position. Lester is a technically sound tackler in the ground game. He is also versatile because of his size. He is big enough to be an in-the-box run defender with the speed to cover the deep part of the field in pass coverage. Lester projects to being a good man-cover safety on tight ends and receivers. With three years starting in the SEC, Lester should be able to play quickly after getting drafted. I love the job our safeties have been doing but we can't keep them all. We also need to be able to have a coverage safety on TE's. A weakness of ours.

                4. Michael Buchanan, DE/OLB, Illinois
                5. Baker Steinkhuler, DT/DE, Nebraska
                6. BPA
                7. BPA

                As you can see, the top three picks are from winners. We may also be able to get the best DT and RB in this draft. With DJ coming back and Woodyard's I see us transitioning to more hybrid defense. This draft is all D besides Taylor, although we may be able to find some dynamism at the bottom of the draft for the O or ST, something like a speedy slot receiver or punt-blocking specialist.
                I'm a fan of Nix as well but he isn't worth trading that far for, plus, I don't think he even comes out.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by berlownacyo7s View Post
                  I don't like it, sorry. I doubt we would trade up to grab a DT; we're more likely to sit back and see what falls to us IMO. Also, where's the WR help? Stokely is getting pretty old and Matthew Willis sucks. We need a WR in a big way. On the other hand, I don't think safety is a big need anymore. Moore has been playing well, plus we still have Leonhard, Adams, and Carter; and Bruton is the special teams beast.
                  I think we would trade up for a dominant DT. We are a win-now team with Peyton and have a great defense with one glaring hole, a great DT. I believe Nix could be that guy. As for WR we can just look to free agency. We can get a guy like Johnny Knox from CHI or Ted Ginn Jr. from SF to play the slot for us. I don't think we need to get any younger at WR. As for safety, Adams has been disappointing to me in coverage, we need insurance for Carter and Leonhard isn't a must have safety although he is good. I think with a deep playoff run Rahim will begin to feel like a bit of a veteran presence and the need of older players simply to suffice for leadership won't be a problem anymore. As for Lester as a player, he's another Rahim Moore type safety who can man the middle of the field and cover TE's. I really would rather Tony Jefferson drop to us to have an immediate starting caliber SS but who would you suggest in the 3rd?

                  Originally posted by Kansas Bob View Post
                  This draft has a bunch of good players in it but no real great players in it worth giving up a 1st and 2nd rounder for! Nix has a large up side but not worthy of our first two draft choices.
                  He's already a top 4 DT right? Lotulelei, Hankins, Jenkins, Nix. ND will get a lot of attention in the coming weeks and if Nix hasn't been stopped now I doubt he'll stop because of the cameras. He'll move up in the rankings. After a combine he'll defintely be above Jenkins and maybe Hankins. I wouldn't mind trading first rounders, giving up a second and getting a third to get one of the most dominant DTs in the country to come and help impact the NEOC (New Era Orange Crush).

                  Originally posted by Ohenhen12345 View Post
                  Top needs are MLB, WR, DT
                  I think DJ will take the MLB role honestly or we'll just move to a 3-4. JDR will play to his strengths because that's what a good coach does. WR as I said above can be solved in FA. I would rather have a veteran presence at WR than a rook. I want us to invest in a great DT.

                  Originally posted by one5beast View Post
                  Dont like the trade. 1st and 2nd round for Nix? I like him but i dont think thats worth it.

                  I like Stepfan Taylor.

                  Robert Lester is okay. Dont hate the pick. Dont love it either. Hes a good deep safety and i dont think thats what were really looking for. I see us going for a more in the box, more physical player. Hes big, but not very physical. Reminds me of how Rahim Moore is now with tackling.

                  Im good with the Buchanan pick.

                  Never really watched the Baker guy.
                  Trading firsts, giving up a second, and getting a third to get one of most dominant DTs in the country. I know I put Lester but that was an alternate at S for Tony Jefferson, who I hope falls that far to be our starting SS. Not giving up on Carter but I think he would get the bronze in the trio. He'll still be used of course. If it's Lester then Carter can start and Lester play middle field in special situations.

                  Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                  I'm a fan of Nix as well but he isn't worth trading that far for, plus, I don't think he even comes out.
                  Trading firsts, giving a second, and getting a third for one of the most dominant DTs in the country. I believe that although he may want to get his degree, he'll have seen how other dominant players stock dropped the following year, after they would have been a high selection in the draft. It may be the smartest thing for him to do, career-wise. Why not win Superbowls with the Broncos for years?

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                  • #10
                    Notre Dame is tied with the Duke Bluedevils for the highest graduation rate among the football program at an astounding 96%. Not saying there is no chance that he would come out but the odds are against seeing Nix in this upcoming draft.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ZeusOnEarth View Post

                      I think DJ will take the MLB role honestly or we'll just move to a 3-4. JDR will play to his strengths because that's what a good coach does. WR as I said above can be solved in FA. I would rather have a veteran presence at WR than a rook. I want us to invest in a great DT.



                      Trading firsts, giving a second, and getting a third for one of the most dominant DTs in the country. I believe that although he may want to get his degree, he'll have seen how other dominant players stock dropped the following year, after they would have been a high selection in the draft. It may be the smartest thing for him to do, career-wise. Why not win Superbowls with the Broncos for years?
                      really? Move to a 3-4?.........
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                      • #12
                        I've watched every ND game this season, and IMO Nix is not a top 15 talent. He is in the same group as Short and Williams. Short is the most well-rounded of the 3, Williams offers more in the pass-rushing aspect, and Nix is the best against the run. In the passing game his go to move is the swim move, which also leads to him batting down passes at the line. If he comes out, which is unlikely we could get him without moving up.
                        What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                        I don't know and I don't care

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                        • #13
                          Roger Goodell:

                          'With the last pick of the first round, the World Champion Denver Broncos select....Giovani Bernard, running back,
                          North Carolina.'

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
                            I've watched every ND game this season, and IMO Nix is not a top 15 talent. He is in the same group as Short and Williams. Short is the most well-rounded of the 3, Williams offers more in the pass-rushing aspect, and Nix is the best against the run. In the passing game his go to move is the swim move, which also leads to him batting down passes at the line. If he comes out, which is unlikely we could get him without moving up.
                            I totally disagree, Nix is a better player than Short, who is completely over-rated.

                            Williams is better than both and will be a top 20 pick

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Idiot_Kicker View Post
                              I totally disagree, Nix is a better player than Short, who is completely over-rated.

                              Williams is better than both and will be a top 20 pick
                              This is simply not true. Short has proven over his career he is a force. Williams is the worst of the bunch at the POA and in the run game. Nix is not a pass rusher.
                              What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                              I don't know and I don't care

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