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  • THEdraftnik's 3rd Mock Offseason

    Looking Towards the Future

    Free Agency
    • LT Ryan Clady- Franchise tag; doubt a deal gets done, and he isn't worth what he wants in my opinion.
    • P Britton Colquitt- RFA tender
    • ST David Bruton- Vet minimum; listed as a special teams for a reason
    • DT Mitch Unrein- ERFA tender
    • CB Tony Carter- 3 years 2.75 million
    • NT Kevin Vickerson- 3 years 5.5 million
    • C Dan Koppen- 2 years 1.75 million
    • RB Lance Ball- RFA tender
    • OT Chris Clark- RFA tender
    • S Jim Leonard- vet minimum
    • ST Matt Willis- vet minimum
    • WR Brandon Stokely- 2 years 2.5 million
    • DT Terrance Knighton- 2 years 6 million
    • WR Ramses Barden- 2 years 1.5 million



    ILB Joe Mays traded to the Colts for a 6th Round Pick.
    1st Round Pick traded to Team X for their 2014 1st and 2013 5th Round.
    3rd and 5th Round picks traded to Team Y for their 2013 2nd Round

    We trade out of the first round after both Manti Te'O and Sheldon Richardson are off the board. Trading for a future pick allows us flexibility in upcoming drafts and to an extent insurance for Os.
    We trade into the 2nd round to pick up quite possibly a player with as high potential as any other in the draft in Ansah.

    2nd Round: DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
    Ansah is an athletic wonder, and would be the BPA. BYU plays Ansah all over their defense because of his extreme athleticism. He has played positions such as 3-4 DE, 4-3 DE, and 3-4 Rush Linebacker. He stands at 6'5 270 pounds, and could run in the 4.6s, He has JPP talent and with our coaching staff we can get a lot of that out of him.
    2nd Round: HBack/TE Jordan Reed, UF
    Reed is a very athletic pass catcher who can line up all over the field for us and provide mismatches. Reed can be a weapon in ISO formations for us one play and line up out wide the next.
    4th Round: WR Ryan Swope, TAMU
    Swope has good size, excellent quickness, and is a very heady receiver. He is very similar to Brandon Stokely in the way he plays; learning from Stokely and Manning could very well end up being one of the best slot options in the league in a few years.
    5th Round: DT Josh Boyd, Miss St
    I noticed Boyd last year while I was watching Fletcher Cox. Like Cox, Boyd is very active for a DT; he has good athleticism and length. He has a frame to add weight and will provide depth at DT.
    6th Round: OT Kyle Long, Oregon
    Kyle Long is the most talented in the Howie Long family tree, and yes I just said that. Kyle Long is extremely lengthy, and has a huge frame at 6'7 310 pounds. He has the athleticism to be an upper echelon LT. Kyle Long is raw and has since dedicated himself to football after things not working out in baseball at FSU. He has had character concerns, but he has turned that corner.
    7th Round: QB Sean Renfree, Duke
    Renfree is very athletic and has good arm strength and accuracy. He can sit behind Manning and Os, and become a good back up option.

    Thoughts and CP recommended :thumb:
    Last edited by THEdraftnik; 11-18-2012, 08:42 PM.
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  • #2
    The thing with Clady is, nobody knows what he wants or what the Broncos want to give him. There are "rumors" saying he wants Joe Thomas money, but I don't know how true those are, and even if they are true he's playing at Joe Thomas' level this season, so we should give him something close.

    I doubt Vickerson signs for less than 1 mil per season. He took a pay cut because he felt he needed to prove himself, and he's doing exactly that. He is a force against the run and he's decent in the pass rush, if we don't give him more another team definitely will. Look at what Bunkley got, and he's only slightly better than Big Vick, if better at all.

    As far as the draft goes, Ansah looks pretty good, I saw a special a couple months ago with him, and he seems like an athletic force at DE, and would probably be great at LE. He'd have to be available in the second (I don't want him in the first) and be the BPA hands down.

    I don't like the Reed pick at all. We have Virgil Green, who can be worked into the regular offense over the offseason, since he's still being developed as a pass catcher (even though he was a pass catcher in college). We also have Julius Thomas, who I know you like, so the pick would create a surplus at a low value position.

    Swope would be a good pick, he's a solid sized slot receiver, and seems very reliable. Playing with Stokley for a season would serve him justice for sure.
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    • #3
      Haha yes bring Ramses to Denver Ild love to see my friend as a horse again.
      Clady is going to cost $10.7 mill with the franchise tag, its not that far off from what he wants
      We also wont get Vickerson back with that price.

      With JDR's love of big DT's I dont think Wolfe will be moving inside that much, which makes me think that drafting Ansah is just going to push Wolfe as a backup which I doubt they will want to do.

      Reed is great but for now his spot is fairly crowded he will have a hard time making the field

      Love Swope, though chances are hes gone by the 3rd IMO, few players in this draft have his skill set.

      Boyd is a bit small for a starting DT on this roster (hence why I know you believe Knighton should come) but hes still my 9th favorite DT. Hes athletic yes but hes not really been the most reliable player in passing situations, which chances are what weld be placing him. Still hes the best available at this point.

      Im glad someone else likes Long, though his draft position will be like throwing darts at a board, hes skilled.

      Didnt think of drafting a QB, but as an heir apparent to Manning Ild say hes got a shot. The guy even comes from the same system that Manning did with the same coach. He makes a lot of stupid decisions but besides that he has all the tools.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson View Post
        The thing with Clady is, nobody knows what he wants or what the Broncos want to give him. There are "rumors" saying he wants Joe Thomas money, but I don't know how true those are, and even if they are true he's playing at Joe Thomas' level this season, so we should give him something close.

        I doubt Vickerson signs for less than 1 mil per season. He took a pay cut because he felt he needed to prove himself, and he's doing exactly that. He is a force against the run and he's decent in the pass rush, if we don't give him more another team definitely will. Look at what Bunkley got, and he's only slightly better than Big Vick, if better at all.

        As far as the draft goes, Ansah looks pretty good, I saw a special a couple months ago with him, and he seems like an athletic force at DE, and would probably be great at LE. He'd have to be available in the second (I don't want him in the first) and be the BPA hands down.

        I don't like the Reed pick at all. We have Virgil Green, who can be worked into the regular offense over the offseason, since he's still being developed as a pass catcher (even though he was a pass catcher in college). We also have Julius Thomas, who I know you like, so the pick would create a surplus at a low value position.

        Swope would be a good pick, he's a solid sized slot receiver, and seems very reliable. Playing with Stokley for a season would serve him justice for sure.
        Joe Thomas plays like Joe Thomas with Brandon Weedon, Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Colt McCoy, and Seneca Wallace at QB. That's why Clady doesn't deserve Joe Thomas money.

        Reed would be a full back first, and if Manning were to run the no huddle with him he could line up at spots like TE. He wouldn't be taking Green's spot. And I'm done with Julius. He can't catch, block, run routes, play special teams or even contribute in the smallest of ways.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Joshecalpoly View Post
          Haha yes bring Ramses to Denver Ild love to see my friend as a horse again.
          Clady is going to cost $10.7 mill with the franchise tag, its not that far off from what he wants
          We also wont get Vickerson back with that price.

          With JDR's love of big DT's I dont think Wolfe will be moving inside that much, which makes me think that drafting Ansah is just going to push Wolfe as a backup which I doubt they will want to do.

          Reed is great but for now his spot is fairly crowded he will have a hard time making the field

          Love Swope, though chances are hes gone by the 3rd IMO, few players in this draft have his skill set.

          Boyd is a bit small for a starting DT on this roster (hence why I know you believe Knighton should come) but hes still my 9th favorite DT. Hes athletic yes but hes not really been the most reliable player in passing situations, which chances are what weld be placing him. Still hes the best available at this point.

          Im glad someone else likes Long, though his draft position will be like throwing darts at a board, hes skilled.

          Didnt think of drafting a QB, but as an heir apparent to Manning Ild say hes got a shot. The guy even comes from the same system that Manning did with the same coach. He makes a lot of stupid decisions but besides that he has all the tools.
          I love Barden, I really don't see why the Giants don't use him. I know he's had some injury problems, but find a way to get him on the field.

          I believe Wolfe will probably be bulking up in this offseason. I could see him getting all the way up to 310.

          And Ansah would likely be a pass rush specialist year 1 with way Fox runs things.

          On Swope I'm definitely hopeful he will be there. I was even considering another trade, but I just couldn't put 4 trades in 1 mock :thumb:

          Boyd will probably get the Malik Jackson treatment year 1, hopefully we can work out the kinks with him.

          Most of the websites I have seen that stay up to date have Long that low but with his skill set and his position I really don't know how.

          It's easy to make bad decisions when your best (only) option is Vernon
          Denver Broncos GM
          Originally posted by Mosk
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          • #6
            Originally posted by THEdraftnik View Post
            Joe Thomas plays like Joe Thomas with Brandon Weedon, Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Colt McCoy, and Seneca Wallace at QB. That's why Clady doesn't deserve Joe Thomas money.

            Reed would be a full back first, and if Manning were to run the no huddle with him he could line up at spots like TE. He wouldn't be taking Green's spot. And I'm done with Julius. He can't catch, block, run routes, play special teams or even contribute in the smallest of ways.
            Green, like Reed, also has lined up at TE and FB. If the coaching staff and FO has faith in a young player that can do the same things, I don't think we should spend a high round pick on it, when we could go after let's say a NT or even better a very reliable swing tackle that can compete, and maybe kick Franklin into guard (not saying I don't love him at tackle at all).
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            • #7
              Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson View Post
              Green, like Reed, also has lined up at TE and FB. If the coaching staff and FO has faith in a young player that can do the same things, I don't think we should spend a high round pick on it, when we could go after let's say a NT or even better a very reliable swing tackle that can compete, and maybe kick Franklin into guard (not saying I don't love him at tackle at all).
              Yes Green has but in this mock Reed would take Chris Gronkowski's roster spot not Green's.

              And it's not like the FO has not given a player competition before. Wolfe over Ayers, Trevathan over Mohammed, Hillman over Johnson, Carter over Thompson. If they believe a player can make us better I can see us doing so.
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              Originally posted by Mosk
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              • #8
                Originally posted by THEdraftnik View Post
                Yes Green has but in this mock Reed would take Chris Gronkowski's roster spot not Green's.

                And it's not like the FO has not given a player competition before. Wolfe over Ayers, Trevathan over Mohammed, Hillman over Johnson, Carter over Thompson. If they believe a player can make us better I can see us doing so.
                We have used Gronk as a blocker, but not a lot, I think the FO wanted an option of having someone who can be a traditional FB when we needed them to be. Personally I like Trey Millard, he is athletic he has good hands and hes a great blocker

                I like Zack Line but Millard is incredibly versatile. Heck even Trey Burton would be a good option (noone is more versatile then him)
                Last edited by Joshecalpoly; 11-19-2012, 11:12 AM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by THEdraftnik View Post
                  Yes Green has but in this mock Reed would take Chris Gronkowski's roster spot not Green's.

                  And it's not like the FO has not given a player competition before. Wolfe over Ayers, Trevathan over Mohammed, Hillman over Johnson, Carter over Thompson. If they believe a player can make us better I can see us doing so.
                  I wouldn't compare Reed to Green to any of those examples, to be honest. Of Ayers, Mohammed, Johnson, or Thompson, we only drafted Mohammed, and it was apparent that he wasn't too good during his rookie season, and he barely even whiffed the 53 man roster.

                  Green was drafted by us as a pass catching tight end, and played his rookie season only being featured as an inline blocker. If he gets a offseason and TC in the #2 TE role he could end up being better than any TE we have, and could still play FB/H-back.

                  Also, if he's being primarily considered a FB, than I especially don't agree with taking him in the second.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson View Post
                    The thing with Clady is, nobody knows what he wants or what the Broncos want to give him. There are "rumors" saying he wants Joe Thomas money, but I don't know how true those are, and even if they are true he's playing at Joe Thomas' level this season, so we should give him something close.
                    Well, if Clady is playing at Joe Thomas' level this season, you should let him walk and find a replacement. Joe Thomas is extremely overrated and is playing like crap this year. Even before this year he was overrated. Everyone treats him like he is the greatest offensive lineman in decades. The guy is overrated and is being beat by players every game - this last game is a prime example.
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                    • #11
                      Too early for mocks. But will like

                      1. Impact MLB that is good both in the passing game and running game.
                      2. DT depth for next year
                      3. RB depth for next year. I am not sold on Hillman not yet, and Mcgahee is error prone
                      4. WR depth for next year
                      5. QB depth for next year, still not sold on Osweiller.

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                      • #12
                        BroncoJohnson's November Mock

                        Free Agency
                        Resign:
                        Ryan Clady, David Bruton, Brandon Stokley, Britton Colquitt, Dan Koppen, and Kevin Vickerson

                        Sign:
                        Dashon Goldson, SS, San Francisco 49ers
                        Goldson would make our defense the best in the league, IMO. He brings great tackling, hard hitting, and great play making ability in coverage to the table. He'd be worth every penny.


                        Draft:
                        First Round: Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame (6'3", 330 lbs)
                        Our current NT is Justin Bannan. While he is serviceable, we could upgrade in a huge way, via Louix Nix III, the 330 pound Junior from Notre Dame. Coming out of High School, Nix was compared to Vince Wilfork, and while he may not be quite as big, the comparisons stand firm. JDR has a history of having big D-lineman, and this one would contribute to the montra.


                        Second Round: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU (6'8", 285 lbs)
                        Hunt, at 6'8", is an athletic specimen still learning to play football. While Hunt lived in Estonia, he was a champion discuss thrower, and found himself playing football at SMU to earn a scholarship, and has been a good force since joining. Hunt has 6 sacks and an interception on the season, showing improvement over year one. I'd be surprised if Hunt's value doesn't skyrocket him to the top of the second or late first.


                        **Trade our third round pick and 7th round pick, for a high 3rd round pick**
                        Third Round: Stedman Bailey, WR, WVU (5'10", 185 lbs)
                        Bailey has been a productive monster during his time at WVU, racking up stats that make you look twice. While many are in love with Tavon Austin, Bailey has been a more well rounded receiver for WVU, and has totaled 12K yards and 20 TDs this season. Learning from Stokley and Manning, Bailey could be a beast in the slot for us.


                        Fourth Round: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (5'11" 215 lbs)
                        Ball, a Broncos Fan, would be a great downhill complement to Hillman, that could serve his first few seasons relieving McGahee in short yardage situations. He made a bad decision by returning to school, as he had a slow start to the season, but has come along nicely late in the season, which you'd rather see than a RB dropping off.


                        Fifth Round: DJ Swearinger, SS, South Carolina (6', 210 lbs)
                        Swearinger is a play making monster at safety, and doesn't get nearly enough recognition for his play. I watched him last week, as he was flagged for a helmet to helmet hit, which was in reality clean, and make a 60-70 yard pick six to rob the game. At the least, he would be another great special teamer like Bruton.
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                        • #13
                          2 defensive lineman first.. lol

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
                            2 defensive lineman first.. lol
                            When the giants did it with JPP and LInval Joseph, that was probably just as laughable.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joshecalpoly View Post
                              We have used Gronk as a blocker, but not a lot, I think the FO wanted an option of having someone who can be a traditional FB when we needed them to be. Personally I like Trey Millard, he is athletic he has good hands and hes a great blocker

                              I like Zack Line but Millard is incredibly versatile. Heck even Trey Burton would be a good option (noone is more versatile then him)
                              Gronk to me is a waste of a roster spot. While Reed could quite possibly be a Hernandez type player for us.

                              I haven't watched a lot of Millard, and I haven't seen Zack Line block. I'd also love Burton.
                              Denver Broncos GM
                              Originally posted by Mosk
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