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  • #16
    Originally posted by broncos SB2010
    Oakland would be foolish to pass on Teo so they probably will. Not really, I think he goes to Oakland. KC needs a a QB but I don't think they take one at the top of the draft. None of the QBs in this draft look all that great to me. Kc might to trade out of their spot and move down. They might also take Teo and put him next to Derrick Johnson.
    I feel like KC is in the same situation they were awhile back with Glenn Dorsey being their picks over a need at QB, Joe Flacco of course being taken later in the 1st round. And then again a few years ago with Tyson Jackson at 3, passing on Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman. I don't think they'll change it this year, I think they'll take Te'o and he'd really just make that an elite group at LB. Take a gamble on a free agent QB, draft one in the second round and hope he gives you more than Quinn and Cassell.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Amari24
      I would even take Osweiler over Smith if I had to choose between both right now.
      It's not even fair to compare them.





      Geno Smith has much more experience and better mechanics. I also think Smith has more anticipation and accuracy to make good throws in tight windows. Osweiler is an ultra-raw quarterback drafted in the 2nd round because of upside. Smith will probably be a 1st round pick and maybe the first quarterback taken in the draft.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by beastlyskronk
        I feel like KC is in the same situation they were awhile back with Glenn Dorsey being their picks over a need at QB, Joe Flacco of course being taken later in the 1st round. And then again a few years ago with Tyson Jackson at 3, passing on Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman. I don't think they'll change it this year, I think they'll take Te'o and he'd really just make that an elite group at LB. Take a gamble on a free agent QB, draft one in the second round and hope he gives you more than Quinn and Cassell.
        They'll take a QB unless Smith and Barkley look terrible at the combine. The fan base needs something to get excited about. They really can't afford to go in another direction. Smith seems like the likely pick right now.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by primetime714
          They'll take a QB unless Smith and Barkley look terrible at the combine. The fan base needs something to get excited about. They really can't afford to go in another direction. Smith seems like the likely pick right now.
          Pretty much the worst time to change their philosophy. KC historically has never wanted to take a QB in the 1st round. Te'o is much better than the defensive players they've drafted. And past QBs have been better than Smith imo.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by beastlyskronk
            I feel like KC is in the same situation they were awhile back with Glenn Dorsey being their picks over a need at QB, Joe Flacco of course being taken later in the 1st round. And then again a few years ago with Tyson Jackson at 3, passing on Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman. I don't think they'll change it this year, I think they'll take Te'o and he'd really just make that an elite group at LB. Take a gamble on a free agent QB, draft one in the second round and hope he gives you more than Quinn and Cassell.
            Manning, Palmer and Rivers are older players, but they don't seem on the verge of retirement. KC is several steps behind unless they can get a more effective performance at the QB position. Their coaching staff may be about to change as well.

            This year Wilson, Foles and Cousins were good prospects in the 3rd and 4th round. In 2013 maybe someone like Mike Glennon or Landry Jones could pan out for them.
            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Roddoliver
              It's not even fair to compare them.





              Geno Smith has much more experience and better mechanics. I also think Smith has more anticipation and accuracy to make good throws in tight windows. Osweiler is an ultra-raw quarterback drafted in the 2nd round because of upside. Smith will probably be a 1st round pick and maybe the first quarterback taken in the draft.
              Sorry, but I'm not really seeing it. Nice stats, though.

              Put Geno in last season's QB class and I highly doubt he goes in the 1st. But hey, if KC wants him with the #1 pick I won't complain.

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              • #22
                Hopefully none get Jarvis Jones, he is, IMO the Von Miller of this draft, without being quite as athletic. Still though, I would hate to see him as a Chief or Raider.
                Fightin' Texas Aggie c/o '16

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Roddoliver
                  It's not even fair to compare them.





                  Geno Smith has much more experience and better mechanics. I also think Smith has more anticipation and accuracy to make good throws in tight windows. Osweiler is an ultra-raw quarterback drafted in the 2nd round because of upside. Smith will probably be a 1st round pick and maybe the first quarterback taken in the draft.
                  Don't make me post Case Keenum's stats.
                  Fightin' Texas Aggie c/o '16

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson
                    Don't make me post Case Keenum's stats.
                    Spread offense in the Conference USA.

                    I don't think Case Keenum had to play against LSU.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Roddoliver
                      Spread offense in the Conference USA.

                      I don't think Case Keenum had to play against LSU.

                      Do you realize what my post meant? It's college football. An offense can make a player. That's why Pat White was every bit as good as Geno as a college player, and didn't make it in the league. Not saying Geno won't but he played in a spread offense with one of the best pair of receivers in the nation.
                      Fightin' Texas Aggie c/o '16

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson
                        Do you realize what my post meant? It's college football. An offense can make a player. That's why Pat White was every bit as good as Geno as a college player, and didn't make it in the league. Not saying Geno won't but he played in a spread offense with one of the best pair of receivers in the nation.
                        Pat White is a nobody compared to Geno. They had no where NEAR the same stats in college. Pat White senior year he threw for 21 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 65>&% completion and 1842 yards. He ran for 974 yards and 8 touchdowns.

                        Geno Smith in his senior season 40 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 4,001 yards, 71.4% completion, 154 yards rushing for 2 touchdowns.

                        Two completely different quarterbacks. It's night and day. Geno Smith is a legit QB, Pat White was a gimmick QB, a very small fragile one at that. Couldn't hold a candle to Geno Smith's production.

                        Geno Smith has been there just as long if not longer than his receivers. He has been producing even when they weren't producing like they are now. Could it be the system and the players all work together to make eachother look good? You can't sit here and tell me any qb could play there with Austin and Bailey and put up the numbers Geno did.

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                        • #27
                          If I were Kansas City, I would take Jarvis Jones, since they need a good pass-rushing linebacker, but they'll probably take Geno Smith. If I were Oakland, I'd take Jarvis Jones, since they desperately need more pass rush, but they don't know what they're doing so they'll probably hire Norv Turner as their HC and take Te'o. If I were San Diego, I'd try to get new OTs in free agency, so they could go a lot of ways.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Matymaddog
                            Pat White is a nobody compared to Geno. They had no where NEAR the same stats in college. Pat White senior year he threw for 21 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 65>&% completion and 1842 yards. He ran for 974 yards and 8 touchdowns.

                            Geno Smith in his senior season 40 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 4,001 yards, 71.4% completion, 154 yards rushing for 2 touchdowns.

                            Two completely different quarterbacks. It's night and day. Geno Smith is a legit QB, Pat White was a gimmick QB, a very small fragile one at that. Couldn't hold a candle to Geno Smith's production.

                            Geno Smith has been there just as long if not longer than his receivers. He has been producing even when they weren't producing like they are now. Could it be the system and the players all work together to make eachother look good? You can't sit here and tell me any qb could play there with Austin and Bailey and put up the numbers Geno did.
                            No, I'm not saying any QB could, but any starting quarterback in the NFL could put up 30-40 touchdowns playing in that offense in their college days. Sure Geno had better stats than White, but White still took them further than Geno ever did, and won 2 or 3 BCS bowl games.

                            Geno, on the other hand, hasn't even touched a bowl trophy yet, let alone a BCS bowl trophy. I threw Case Keenum into the conversation because college passing stats are inflated. WVU mainly featured a Spread Option rushing attack, like Oregon, rather than a spread passing attack, so of course Geno has the passing numbers. Still doesn't change the fact that, like I said, "Pat White was every bit as good as Geno as a college player."

                            And of course Case Keenum has the passing numbers on Geno Smith. But, then again, Geno did have the privilege of throwing to two top 3 round picks as receivers. Geno will start in the NFL, and I hope it's with the Chiefs. I'd be lying if I said I'd be scared.
                            Fightin' Texas Aggie c/o '16

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by SmokeBassett
                              If I were Kansas City, I would take Jarvis Jones, since they need a good pass-rushing linebacker, but they'll probably take Geno Smith. If I were Oakland, I'd take Jarvis Jones, since they desperately need more pass rush, but they don't know what they're doing so they'll probably hire Norv Turner as their HC and take Te'o. If I were San Diego, I'd try to get new OTs in free agency, so they could go a lot of ways.
                              I could see Oakland firing Dennis Allen and going after Chip Kelly, lol. If they have one thing on offense, it's speed.
                              Fightin' Texas Aggie c/o '16

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson
                                No, I'm not saying any QB could, but any starting quarterback in the NFL could put up 30-40 touchdowns playing in that offense in their college days. Sure Geno had better stats than White, but White still took them further than Geno ever did, and won 2 or 3 BCS bowl games.

                                Geno, on the other hand, hasn't even touched a bowl trophy yet, let alone a BCS bowl trophy. I threw Case Keenum into the conversation because college passing stats are inflated. WVU mainly featured a Spread Option rushing attack, like Oregon, rather than a spread passing attack, so of course Geno has the passing numbers. Still doesn't change the fact that, like I said, "Pat White was every bit as good as Geno as a college player."

                                And of course Case Keenum has the passing numbers on Geno Smith. But, then again, Geno did have the privilege of throwing to two top 3 round picks as receivers. Geno will start in the NFL, and I hope it's with the Chiefs. I'd be lying if I said I'd be scared.
                                So that 77-33 whooping in the Orange Bowl on Clemson didn't happen?

                                I understand your point with Case Keenum but it's pretty obvious that Geno Smith is a very good quarterback and is going to go in the top 15 and should go in the top 15.

                                I'm not arguing college player, because we are talking about prospects entering the draft. Pat White has history because of the bowl games. However Geno Smith is a MUCH better prospect.

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