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  • #31
    Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post


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    • #32
      Originally posted by notmyname View Post
      I don't think it would be the medical as much.. I think it would only be because of the Broncos being high on player at a different position and having other players like crash has been mentioning graded out pretty high that they can draft a couple rounds later in the draft like Tripp,Williamson..

      I still think the Broncos would draft him though ..
      We passed twice on Lacy because of his health concerns. I just see similarities to Mosley. That and the fact Mosley doesn't look that good to me on film. People talk like he's Luke Keuchly but he looks like Rolando McClain to me
      A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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      • #33
        Crash is sorta right on the Bama players.

        Minus Julio, Fluker, and 4-5 years for Andre Smith, a lot of their players havent turned into the studs people thought.

        May be wrong on Mosely but it's true on Bama players.

        They may like someone better than Mosely they can get later while going elsewhere in Rd 1 like CB/OL/DE.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by crash123go View Post
          Lol your not getting it. Every bama player has been overrated save 2-3 of them. They have been drafted in the 1st or 2nd round and have performed like 3rd-4th round prospects. They are being overrated in their evaluation because of the team at Alabama, The overall talent of the team masks the weaknesses of every player in their lineup to make them look better then they are. Alabama players have been extremely overvalued for 6-7 years
          I hear what you're sayhing 100%, and I agree Bama players are usually hyped and some don't work out in the NFL. However, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I've posted. I've said Mosley's stock is dropping because of a report on his knee. Bama players being hyped has nothing to do with this. These analysts aren't saying hey lets slow down, the last time we projected Bama players high, it didn't work out. Mosley was projected to go between 10 and 15. Now that his knee has been mentioned, his stock has dropped. Again, I agree Bama players get hyped, but that isn't relevant to this report.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by crash123go View Post
            Lol your not getting it. Every bama player has been overrated save 2-3 of them. They have been drafted in the 1st or 2nd round and have performed like 3rd-4th round prospects. They are being overrated in their evaluation because of the team at Alabama, The overall talent of the team masks the weaknesses of every player in their lineup to make them look better then they are. Alabama players have been extremely overvalued for 6-7 years
            Mark Barron 1st round 2012 (7th pick), Marcell Dareus 1st round (3rd pick), D.J. Fluker 1st (11th pick) 2013 started as rookie, Dont’a Hightower LB 2012 1st round (25th pick) led the team with 97 combined tackles, Kareem Jackson CB 1st round 2010 (20th), Julio Jones WR 1st round, Eddie Lacy RB 2nd round 2013, Dee Milliner CB 1st round 2013 (9th) 3 INT, Chance Warmack G 1st round 2013 (10th) started 16 games... Courtney Upshaw 2nd round ??

            10 players there, you could debate that some were drafted a little high but overall I don't think were "extremely overvalued".
            Trent Richardson hasn't panned out, Terrance Cody?, Dre Kirkpatrick probably overrated some, Andre Smith OT 1st round 2009 (6th) 50 games started was a little high.

            I kind of agree with you that too many Alabama players get recognition that may not be deserved, but after looking at how many have been successful compared to their draft position... I have to disagree.
            Mosely, if there at 31 would not be too soon to pick him, but it depends on who else is there. I really like the speed of Shazier and would still take Shazier over Mosely. I probably would also take Dee Ford over Mosely. Mosely does fill a need but probably not in 2014?? We do already have Irving, Johnson AND possibilities with McCray. We can also get MLB in the later rounds, Tripp or Williamson are certainly prospects in the 5th-7th rounds.
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            • #36
              Crash is right saying that many Bama players haven't lived up to the hype but Champ&Dre is correct on the issue of a falling draft stock. Scouts didn't just go, "Oh wait, he plays for Bama. Let's drop him on the board." They would've adjusted for that long ago. And even saying that is questionable to me. You judge individual players based on their skill set.

              If Mosley lasts longer than expected on draft day, it could be for a number of reasons. His health history could drop him. The right player-need situation may not arise until later in the draft. Or maybe he wasn't as highly thought of in the first place. But to say he's dropping at this point in the process because he's from Bama is foolish.
              Go Broncos!!!:thumb:

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              • #37
                Originally posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
                Mark Barron 1st round 2012 (7th pick), Marcell Dareus 1st round (3rd pick), D.J. Fluker 1st (11th pick) 2013 started as rookie, Dont’a Hightower LB 2012 1st round (25th pick) led the team with 97 combined tackles, Kareem Jackson CB 1st round 2010 (20th), Julio Jones WR 1st round, Eddie Lacy RB 2nd round 2013, Dee Milliner CB 1st round 2013 (9th) 3 INT, Chance Warmack G 1st round 2013 (10th) started 16 games... Courtney Upshaw 2nd round ??

                10 players there, you could debate that some were drafted a little high but overall I don't think were "extremely overvalued".
                Trent Richardson hasn't panned out, Terrance Cody?, Dre Kirkpatrick probably overrated some, Andre Smith OT 1st round 2009 (6th) 50 games started was a little high.

                I kind of agree with you that too many Alabama players get recognition that may not be deserved, but after looking at how many have been successful compared to their draft position... I have to disagree.
                Mosely, if there at 31 would not be too soon to pick him, but it depends on who else is there. I really like the speed of Shazier and would still take Shazier over Mosely. I probably would also take Dee Ford over Mosely. Mosely does fill a need but probably not in 2014?? We do already have Irving, Johnson AND possibilities with McCray. We can also get MLB in the later rounds, Tripp or Williamson are certainly prospects in the 5th-7th rounds.
                Barron and Dareus have underperformed as top 10 picks. Dareus was benched his second year in favor of Alex carrington. Barron on the other hand hasn't been a better safety then Rahim Moore so IMO they both were over rated and drafted a round too early. The rookies from last year still get a pass even the good ones, but it's very easy to see that Jackson was over drafted, hightower is purely a run stopper who can't cover and that's horrible for a first round pick and Courtney upshaw is very underwhelming at OLB. All of those players were pumped up because they're from Alabama and were taking WAY too early.
                A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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                • #38
                  Crash -
                  Dareus started all 16 games in 2012 and was a Pro Bowler with 7.5 sacks from the DT position in 2013. I guess Von Miller was picked too high too. Like I said we could debate it but no-way have they been "extremely overvalued". I am not even an Alabama fan.
                  Last edited by brianmcfarlane; 03-18-2014, 03:44 PM.
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                  • #39
                    I live in Buffalo. Dareus was on and off throughout his first two years, showing stretches of brilliance and then disappearing for a while. Last year, he dominated despite the fact that he was suspended for stretches due to laziness. Dareus is a stud and if he can stop being an idiot will establish himself as a premier DT in the Wilfork mold.
                    Go Broncos!!!:thumb:

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
                      Crash -
                      Dareus started all 16 games in 2012 and was a Pro Bowler with 7.5 sacks from the DT position in 2013. I guess Von Miller was picked too high too. Like I said we could debate it but no-way have they been "extremely overvalued". I am not even an Alabama fan.
                      Lol ok I'm sure you've done enough to back that statement up
                      A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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                      • #41
                        Just get me Mosley at the end of the 1st or Borland at the end of the 2nd in the draft, please. Bringing in a guy like Pat Angerer as competition/depth wouldn't hurt either.
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                        • #42
                          Yes, some Bama players have underwhelmed. But to say that Telvin Smith is a better Mike LB prospect than Mosley is flat out ridiculous. Telvin Smith who is probably 215 lbs? Way too small.

                          Mosley is pretty much the unanimous top ILB prospect. There are plenty of Bama players who are studs. Like everyone else said, Dareus is pretty much the Von Miller of DTs; he is a beast on the field when he is focused, but has some focus and off the field concerns. Mosley has top instincts and is a great athlete; he was actually compared to Lavonte David by CBSSports.

                          From a patriots fan's perspective on Bama players, Hightower has been incredibly solid. He is pretty big (270lbs) but moves great for his size. Some say that he should drop 10 or 15 lbs, but I think BB likes the size as more of a thumper in the middle. He is an elite run defender and about as solid a tackler as you can be. He also excels at blitzing because he is pretty much bowls over RBs who step up to block him. He is ok in coverage, a lot of his struggles in coverage are overstated. He was actually one of the better LBs in coverage for the pats last year. Spikes was the real liability in coverage.

                          http://nesn.com/2013/12/donta-highto...sh-statistics/

                          Overall, Hightower is an above average Mike linebacker in the NFL who I believe has pro bowl potential next season playing alongside Mayo and Collins. I think Mosley has the same potential with maybe a little higher upside because he is more of a fluid athlete. I expect Mosley drafted in the first 20-25 picks.
                          Last edited by bgpatsfan; 03-19-2014, 12:44 AM.

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                          • #43
                            If you skip until the 2 minute mark and watch until the 4 minute mark you will see examples of why he is the top inside LB prospect... 3 plays in particular two run stuffs where he shoots the gap and makes a TFL and another where he fights through traffic to pick up the rb coming out of the backfield in coverage

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeP-0Pp-dgw

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by crash123go View Post
                              Not true. Borland has the same talent level as Mosley to be a 3down MLB, Avery Williamson looks like a more talented 3 down linebacker then both, while guys Telvin smith and Jordan Tripp both have a higher ceiling then Mosley.

                              Mosley is dropping because of injury history and the fact he was originally over valued as a Alabama product. Mosley is a late 2nd/3rd round prospect too me.
                              Borland cant cover.....I love him as a first and second down player, but he wont be on the field in passing situations.
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                              • #45
                                About the topic of prospects from Alabama

                                Perennial winning college football teams will always produce the most selections in the NFL draft .. Whatever opinion you mite have on this topic that will never change..

                                These players are not excluded from the hit ratio on whether or not they'll succeed in the NFL..That is most solely based on the individual player..The school that these prospects come from is only one of the many reasons they are protected where they are to be drafted in the NFL.. They could be playing for any number of the major college football programs ..

                                The main reason they are projected where they're to be selected in the draft is because they appear to be more talented than the next prospect..What school they came from carries over to all the top schools in college athletics and is hardly exclusive to Alabama's football program ..

                                This year Alabama has 3 players that figure to be drafted in and around the first and second round or 3 in the first round wherever you choose to see it..If they had more prospects that projected in that range they would be there however that is not the case...

                                The story of the type of prospects that the Tide is sending to NFL is a side story of a side story that will never dictate the amount of or how good the prospects will be in the NFL.. Alabama will continuously have players in the draft and some that will most likely be projected in the top rounds..

                                A good number of the major college football programs have some sort of representation in the top 60 and none them is a guaranteed as being a success ..If you was to scout these players you should probably err on the side of scouting the player and not the school that they play for ..

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