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  • Originally posted by Joshua2585 View Post
    I've watched 3 or 4 different highlight reels and several game-tape highlights of Kamara. Nothing jumps off the screen. Even in his highlight reels, there is nothing particularly impressive.

    Fournette, as an example, runs so tough. For how big he is, it's insane how he moves. He jukes people out of their shoes. He's very impressive.

    Joe Mixon is extremely explosive and a very tough runner. Good vision. Cut backs. He is impressive.

    OSU's Chris Carson is an impressive runner. Highlight reels show his incredible patience and vision.

    Joe Williams is interesting. Also impressive tape, but his commitment to football is in question.

    Out of every running back I've watched tape on, Kamara is one of the least impressive I've seen. I understand he has some versatility based on being able to line up wide, in the slot, etc., but his actual runs are nothing special from what I've seen.
    To each his own. I have him as my 5th RB behind, Fournette, Cook, Mixon, and CMAC.
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    • Originally posted by Atwnbroncfan View Post
      Dalvins Cooks subpar combine was still better than McCaffreys.
      Let me be clear. I'm a very big fan of Cook. I'd be extremely happy if we were able to draft him. But, how exactly was his combine better than Cmac's?

      During receiving drills, it was clear that Christian stood out above everyone else.

      But, then you go to the other numbers and the only thing he had better than Christian was bench press. So, I guess I'm just confused at how you would view him as performing better than Cmac at the combine.

      However, that's not me debating them as players, because I think the combine is very overrated in its value.
      Last edited by ksubroncosfan; 04-18-2017, 10:57 AM.

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      • Beyond comparing the physical attributes there is the mental attributes. Some of the football colleges in the South draft for football attributes, in Stanford you better have both physical and mental. I live in the South so I see it first hand. Some of these players had a really tough life and this is their way out. In Christian's case he most likely has had a charmed life, thus he got to this point because he wanted it and it is more impressive because he didn't need it like so many others.

        Last year when we drafted Booker some were saying that he would bring an immediate impact to the team only because RBs is the "easiest" position on the team to learn. I argued it takes about 3 years for most RBs to get their timing & playbook down as well as for the game to slow down. IMO, Booker deserves another year before he is judged, his first year was underwhelming. Rarely do RBs have really good rookie years, a good o-line would have no doubt helped too.


        As far as Kamra, not sure if this trait translated to anything on the football field, but I saw this on a show called Sports Science.

        Alvin Kamara
        Ties record for the highest Max Vertical at 45 inches, this ties the NBA combine players that were tested too.
        With a test made specifically for RBs where at the end they hurl over a cross bar (like an endzone leap) he beat the record set by Adrian Peterson who set the record of 6ft which stood for 5 years. Alvin cleared the bar set at 6ft 1/4 inch by 7 inches!
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        • Cook is better than McCaffrey purely as a runner, but there are other factors involved. Cook has fumble issues and multiple off-the-field issues. McCaffrey is a clean prospect with great work ethic. You know what you're getting with McCaffrey. Cook? You can't tell if he will stay out of trouble. These things matter when it's time to put the name on the card and put your job on the line for it. Usually, the clean prospects rise during the draft process and the prospects with "character issues" fall. That would help explain if somehow McCaffrey gets drafted ahead of Cook.
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          • Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
            I think the real question is:

            If Christian McCaffrey was not the son of Ex-Broncos WR Ed McCaffrey,
            thus had zero ties to DEN, would you spend a 1st round draft pick for him?
            Depends on who else is on the board, but i absolutely would.

            The NFL is evolving. RB's need to be as good a WR as they are a RB. The elite backs all have amazing receiving chops. The days of the AP's of the world are past us.

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            • Originally posted by Gsam View Post
              Depends on who else is on the board, but i absolutely would.

              The NFL is evolving. RB's need to be as good a WR as they are a RB. The elite backs all have amazing receiving chops. The days of the AP's of the world are past us.
              I disagree. Elliott is a not a receiving back. Fournette is not a receiving back. You don't have to catch to be elite.
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              • Originally posted by FlowdaBroncoFan View Post
                I disagree. Elliott is a not a receiving back. Fournette is not a receiving back. You don't have to catch to be elite.
                I would take David Johnson and LeVeon Bell any day over Elliot and Fournette.

                DJ and bell are true dual threats. The others are not. Elliot is good but a by product of a completely dominant line.

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                • Originally posted by Gsam View Post
                  I would take David Johnson and LeVeon Bell any day over Elliot and Fournette.

                  DJ and bell are true dual threats. The others are not. Elliot is good but a by product of a completely dominant line.
                  Le'Veon Bell is special.
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                  • Originally posted by FlowdaBroncoFan View Post
                    Kamara played against better competition. He seems faster and more shiftier. Who did Booker play against? Kamara was in the SEC, and played Alabama, A&M, Florida, Georgia, etc. He also seems like a better receiver than Booker.

                    I just don't like the idea of spending such a high pick on a player who will not make a big impact. I just don't see what CMAC brings as beneficial as someone like Foster. We could come back in the 2nd and take Kamara who is similar to CMAC IMO.
                    Booker played against NFL teams, which is better than the SEC. But in just assessing college, if playing games in the SEC were something that led to being a bette back, why do so many Alabama RBs end up being mediocre in the NFL? They play against SEC teams, they play against other top teams in the college playoffs and they practice against Alabama every single day. But back after back end up being mediocre in the pros.

                    I'm not saying anything about Kamara, because I don't know much about him, just responding to the notion that him playing in the SEC makes him a better RB. And taking it further, of the top 5 RBs (by yards) in the NFL last year, not one played in the SEC, 3 played in the Big 10, one in the Big 12, and one in the Mountain West. And taking it further, not a single one of the top 10 backs played in the SEC. It's not until Mark Ingram at 11th that we find our first SEC running back. Playing in the SEC doesn't matter, there are 2 Boise State RBs in the top 10, who did they play against?

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