Kirk Cousins

[broncos SB2010]

To add to this! All the pressure to win now, Pressure of preceding manning, Kubiak not being himself this year, and the poor play calling.

every QB has that pressure....

[CoryWinget81]

what do you mean...made available to him?

He really didn't have much to work with. No line, no RBs, diva wrs, coach in free fall transition. I think 18-10 was a damn good job.

[Murph2432]

every QB has that pressure....

Yes but not the context I meant. I meant to win now because we have the Defense to make another run to the super bowl. I'm sure Wentz didn't have the same type of win now pressure

[broncos SB2010]

Yes but not the context I meant. I meant to win now because we have the Defense to make another run to the super bowl. I'm sure Wentz didn't have the same type of win now pressure

No. We don't.
And yes, I think Wentz had the same type of pressure. You think Dak Prescott wasn't in a similar pressure situation?...and don't come back with the line of....Siemian would look just as good behind Dallas' Oline. I don't buy that for a second.

[JW7]

I'm going to have to disagree on that. Cousins has played much much better than Siemian has. Siemian only has the one year under his belt but he looked out of his element the farther the season went this year. If Paxton isn't the QB to take the reins next year....Cousins would be a great addition.

So why does Cousins get the benefit of the doubt and not Siemian? Cousins was such a question mark that the team didn't want to give him a long term contract and made him do a 1 year "prove it" deal. Cousins has only started two full years but look at his numbers in spot duty his first three. The guy was wildly below average before year four. Even then, he didn't hit his stride until halfway through 2015.

[broncos SB2010]

So why does Cousins get the benefit of the doubt and not Siemian? Cousins was such a question mark that the team didn't want to give him a long term contract and made him do a 1 year "prove it" deal. Cousins has only started two full years but look at his numbers in spot duty his first three. The guy was wildly below average before year four. Even then, he didn't hit his stride until halfway through 2015.

Just my opinion of what I have seen of Siemian. Did he really do so much to put paxton Lynch on the bench next season?

Maybe Siemian will do better in the future but if anyone here had to bet a lot of $....would they bet on Siemian becoming a very solid starter for a playoff contending team or would they bet he is replaced in a year or 2? I think most people here would bet on him being replaced. He far exceeded anyone's guess for him coming out of the draft but that doesn't mean he will continue to improve and become one of the better QBs in the league.



Out of curiosity to you guys...what exactly did Siemian show you that makes you think he can be so good in the future?

[Murph2432]

No. We don't.
And yes, I think Wentz had the same type of pressure. You think Dak Prescott wasn't in a similar pressure situation?...and don't come back with the line of....Siemian would look just as good behind Dallas' Oline. I don't buy that for a second.

I don't think anybody was saying the Eagles were going to win the super bowl this year. There was def chatter about Denver repeating. Dak def had pressure on him but he had more to work with! Best oline, best running game, and decent Wr.

I'm sure if Sieman was given more time in the pocket he would be making more plays.

[Murph2432]

Just my opinion of what I have seen of Siemian. Did he really do so much to put paxton Lynch on the bench next season?

Maybe Siemian will do better in the future but if anyone here had to bet a lot of $....would they bet on Siemian becoming a very solid starter for a playoff contending team or would they bet he is replaced in a year or 2? I think most people here would bet on him being replaced. He far exceeded anyone's guess for him coming out of the draft but that doesn't mean he will continue to improve and become one of the better QBs in the league.



Out of curiosity to you guys...what exactly did Siemian show you that makes you think he can be so good in the future?

I personally don't think he is our QB of the future. This was just in relation to Cousins and him.

[broncos SB2010]

I don't think anybody was saying the Eagles were going to win the super bowl this year. There was def chatter about Denver repeating. Dak def had pressure on him but he had more to work with! Best oline, best running game, and decent Wr.

I'm sure if Sieman was given more time in the pocket he would be making more plays.

That's what everyone says but they never have an answer for why he didn't make more plays when he did have time to throw. 3 and out 3 and out 3 and out....isn't all on the Oline. A lot of that was due to Siemian's inaccuracy and inability to make throws in the middle of the field.

[broncos SB2010]

I personally don't think he is our QB of the future. This was just in relation to Cousins and him.

I don't understand. You don't think Siemian is the Broncos QB of the future. Cousins definitely looks like the QB of the future in Washington. yet you think they are comparable QBs?

[Murph2432]

I don't understand. You don't think Siemian is the Broncos QB of the future. Cousins definitely looks like the QB of the future in Washington. yet you think they are comparable QBs?

If cousins was the Qb of the future in Washington they would have signed him to a long term deal. Living in the D.C. area, even the fans aren't sure if he is a franchise QB. Plus, I was comparing how they started their careers. Hard to compare someone who has 3-4 years under their belt to a first year player.

[broncos SB2010]

If cousins was the Qb of the future in Washington they would have signed him to a long term deal. Living in the D.C. area, even the fans aren't sure if he is a franchise QB. Plus, I was comparing how they started their careers. Hard to compare someone who has 3-4 years under their belt to a first year player.

That is true.

[Murph2432]

That's what everyone says but they never have an answer for why he didn't make more plays when he did have time to throw. 3 and out 3 and out 3 and out....isn't all on the Oline. A lot of that was due to Siemian's inaccuracy and inability to make throws in the middle of the field.

Yes Trevor made some bad throws but we don't know the whole story. DT's up and down season and Sanders not doing much as the end of the season. Plus, teams weren't playing the run. When you have no run game and a D only has to worry about the passing game. It makes it tougher to make plays when they know what you're doing.

[JW7]

Just my opinion of what I have seen of Siemian. Did he really do so much to put paxton Lynch on the bench next season?

Maybe Siemian will do better in the future but if anyone here had to bet a lot of $....would they bet on Siemian becoming a very solid starter for a playoff contending team or would they bet he is replaced in a year or 2? I think most people here would bet on him being replaced. He far exceeded anyone's guess for him coming out of the draft but that doesn't mean he will continue to improve and become one of the better QBs in the league.



Out of curiosity to you guys...what exactly did Siemian show you that makes you think he can be so good in the future?

Because in relation to Cousins, Siemian has shown much more in my opinion in year two than Cousins showed in his first three years combined. It wasn't until years 4-5 that he showed to be a good qb. Why does Cousins get a pass and not Siemian.

Why do you assume that he will not get better with more experience? I think the people bet on him being replaced don't understand that a QB needs protection and a run game to be successful. Paxton was painfully worse than Siemian in his two starts this year. It just seems like you're not being objective and you don't like the guy.

[Kyousukeneko]

Just my opinion of what I have seen of Siemian. Did he really do so much to put paxton Lynch on the bench next season?

Maybe Siemian will do better in the future but if anyone here had to bet a lot of $....would they bet on Siemian becoming a very solid starter for a playoff contending team or would they bet he is replaced in a year or 2? I think most people here would bet on him being replaced. He far exceeded anyone's guess for him coming out of the draft but that doesn't mean he will continue to improve and become one of the better QBs in the league.



Out of curiosity to you guys...what exactly did Siemian show you that makes you think he can be so good in the future?

nope it will be a competition probably threw training camp. basically i think he is a stop gap cause we are worried that what happened to david carr could happen to paxton lynch if he transistions with this bad of an o-line so why risk a first round pick when you can test a 7th no one had expectations for any way. i think siemian ends up being a brian hoyer.