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  • crp24lbc
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    But you were saying Nelson would be too expensive at 5. wouldn't his cost be controlled for 5 years too? I understand their is a difference in starting vet QB compared to starting vet OG vs their rookie contracts, I just find it funny you are using the same argument in different ways.
    U answered your own question in that post.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
    The Patriots drafted OG Logan Mankins in the 1st round, kept him from 2005 to 2013 and made him the highest-paid guard in the league. The guy was a 7x Pro Bowler, 6x All-Pro.

    Maybe nowadays, with Tom Brady playing at an MVP level every year, they don't need to give him premium guards. In our own situation, we don't have an elite QB, Case Keenum thrived in a balanced offense that limited his throws and Vance Joseph said he wants to run the ball. For the Broncos, right now, an elite guard has plenty of value.
    Those are all excellent points

    I would also add that NE is an established veteran team with an established Oline where they can bring in a player and have him develop on the run and still be successful wheras with us, we have new coaches who have been here 1 season, Leary and Bolles who have been here 1 year, McGovern who has only started a few games, Garcia who has been a couple seasons but looks to be on the way out, Veldheer who is brand new and Paradis who is the most tenured player on the Oline. Having a blue chip elite prospect that you can build the Oline around and keep for 10+ years would be nice to have instead of the revolving door for Olineman that we have had for the past few years.
    Last edited by broncos SB2010; 03-30-2018, 12:45 PM.

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  • -Rod-
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    Like the Patriots, who many would argue have been the most successful teams in NFL history over the past decade. Anyone wanna guess where the Pats rank on money allocated to the guard position over the past half decade? 2017 they were 27th, 2016 they were 28th, 2015 29th, 2018 21st.
    The Patriots drafted OG Logan Mankins in the 1st round, kept him from 2005 to 2013 and made him the highest-paid guard in the league. The guy was a 7x Pro Bowler, 6x All-Pro.

    Maybe nowadays, with Tom Brady playing at an MVP level every year, they don't need to give him premium guards. In our own situation, we don't have an elite QB, Case Keenum thrived in a balanced offense that limited his throws and Vance Joseph said he wants to run the ball. For the Broncos, right now, an elite guard has plenty of value.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    I'm not advocating the Broncos spend big money on QB. I'm saying draft 1 at #5 where his cost is controlled for 5 years and build a team around him while he is on his rookie contract.
    But you were saying Nelson would be too expensive at 5. wouldn't his cost be controlled for 5 years too? I understand their is a difference in starting vet QB compared to starting vet OG vs their rookie contracts, I just find it funny you are using the same argument in different ways.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    Ray was hurt last year, and when he did play he was doing so with 1 arm.

    Roby is a star in the making and the Broncos know this which is why they were willing to move on from Talib. I agree depth is needed at CB but u dont draft a guy at #5 overall for depth. Brock was a fine signing and will do solid as a 3rd CB until Langley develops and takes over the #3 CB job in 2019.
    Do you really think Langley is the future? I find that hard to believe. Jury is still out on Ray and Roby. Both could be stars and neither could. I think we will get our first real look at both of them this season.

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  • SecondsAway131
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    I'm not advocating the Broncos spend big money on QB. I'm saying draft 1 at #5 where his cost is controlled for 5 years and build a team around him while he is on his rookie contract.
    But you're using the money as a reason to not draft Nelson. What's the difference?

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    Like the Patriots, who many would argue have been the most successful teams in NFL history over the past decade. Anyone wanna guess where the Pats rank on money allocated to the guard position over the past half decade? 2017 they were 27th, 2016 they were 28th, 2015 29th, 2018 21st.

    The reason is because this is NOT a premium position and the good teams understand this and dont waste resources on this position. This isn't baseball where u can just buy the best players, u need to make it all fit under the cap and the Pats have PROVEN that u can be successful in this league without spending money on this position
    I don't think you can take what the Patriots spend on OG and conclude they do that so they don't waste resources on that position.

    here are the Patriots rankings fro spending by position:

    QB: 16th
    RB: 4th
    FB: 7th
    OT: 4th
    OG: 27th
    OC: 22nd
    Dline: 27th
    LB: 29th
    CB: 14th
    S: 1st


    According to your philosophy, safety would be the best premium position to spend the $ on. What this really does tell me is that NE is very good at finding good players at good prices.

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  • crp24lbc
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    Look at the lists for teams with the highest paid QBs and highest paid RBs. They look pretty similar...a lot of bad/mediocre teams in there as well.

    On the QB list...Redskins, Ravens, Bears, Giants
    On the RB list....Buffalo, TB, Titans, Texans
    I'm not advocating the Broncos spend big money on QB. I'm saying draft 1 at #5 where his cost is controlled for 5 years and build a team around him while he is on his rookie contract.

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  • crp24lbc
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    I agree we could use a QB. How sold the FO is on Keenum, I couldn't tell you. I have been saying all along I think QB will be the pick. That was before the Jets moved up ahead of us so now I am not sure if the QB the FO wants will be there. I doubt they take a QB just to take one, it would have to be their guy.

    I am going to disagree about outside pass rushers. I assume you are talking about Barrett and Ray. Neither of those 2 has shown very much at all, certainly not enough to be called "top notch". If we have 3 top notch pass rushers, how come the pass rush was so bad last year?

    I feel a similar way about your statement about our CB. Harris is good, but will he look the same without Talib on the other side? Roby is a downgrade from Talib, from what I have seen so far, and who is now the #3? Before Roby was a pretty solid #3 and he played on 68% of the snaps. Who is taking those snaps now? Cravens? Brock? An upgrade could be used there as well.
    Ray was hurt last year, and when he did play he was doing so with 1 arm.

    Roby is a star in the making and the Broncos know this which is why they were willing to move on from Talib. I agree depth is needed at CB but u dont draft a guy at #5 overall for depth. Brock was a fine signing and will do solid as a 3rd CB until Langley develops and takes over the #3 CB job in 2019.

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  • crp24lbc
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    Originally posted by SecondsAway131 View Post
    Like the Eagles?
    Like the Patriots, who many would argue have been the most successful teams in NFL history over the past decade. Anyone wanna guess where the Pats rank on money allocated to the guard position over the past half decade? 2017 they were 27th, 2016 they were 28th, 2015 29th, 2018 21st.

    The reason is because this is NOT a premium position and the good teams understand this and dont waste resources on this position. This isn't baseball where u can just buy the best players, u need to make it all fit under the cap and the Pats have PROVEN that u can be successful in this league without spending money on this position

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    Like I said, those teams are spending a lot of money on Oline cuz they have expensive tackles. If u looked at my list of the top teams spending on Guards u have the raiders, browns, bears and the rest of the worst teams in the NFL
    Look at the lists for teams with the highest paid QBs and highest paid RBs. They look pretty similar...a lot of bad/mediocre teams in there as well.

    On the QB list...Redskins, Ravens, Bears, Giants
    On the RB list....Buffalo, TB, Titans, Texans

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    No I dont think any of those players u mentioned make sense at all. Our safeties are set after adding Cravens, we already have 3 top notch outside pass rushers and we already have 2 young CBs we like. What we dont have is a franchise QB. Either get 1 or the 4 or get the unquestioned best player in the draft (Barkley). This is not hard
    I agree we could use a QB. How sold the FO is on Keenum, I couldn't tell you. I have been saying all along I think QB will be the pick. That was before the Jets moved up ahead of us so now I am not sure if the QB the FO wants will be there. I doubt they take a QB just to take one, it would have to be their guy.

    I am going to disagree about outside pass rushers. I assume you are talking about Barrett and Ray. Neither of those 2 has shown very much at all, certainly not enough to be called "top notch". If we have 3 top notch pass rushers, how come the pass rush was so bad last year?

    I feel a similar way about your statement about our CB. Harris is good, but will he look the same without Talib on the other side? Roby is a downgrade from Talib, from what I have seen so far, and who is now the #3? Before Roby was a pretty solid #3 and he played on 68% of the snaps. Who is taking those snaps now? Cravens? Brock? An upgrade could be used there as well.

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  • SecondsAway131
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    Originally posted by crp24lbc View Post
    Like I said, those teams are spending a lot of money on Oline cuz they have expensive tackles. If u looked at my list of the top teams spending on Guards u have the raiders, browns, bears and the rest of the worst teams in the NFL
    Like the Eagles?

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  • crp24lbc
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    I never thought to look that up.....good work!!! and people wonder why some us are calling to upgrade the Oline.
    Like I said, those teams are spending a lot of money on Oline cuz they have expensive tackles. If u looked at my list of the top teams spending on Guards u have the raiders, browns, bears and the rest of the worst teams in the NFL

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by SecondsAway131 View Post
    The Cowboy's were 24th in O-Line spending in 2017. The Super Bowl Champion Eagles were 4th. The playoff teams last season were ranked 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 17th, 18th, and 19th in OL spending. The Broncos ranked 30th.

    You know you can look these things up before just making assumptions.

    SOURCE

    Using the link above, I checked every SB winning team for as far back as the list goes. Here is where they all ranked in OL positional spending:

    2017 Eagles - 4th
    2016 Patriots - 9th
    2015 Broncos - 8th
    2014 Patriots - 23rd
    2013 Seahawks - 1st

    So all but one SB winning team ranked in the top 10 in positional spending.
    I never thought to look that up.....good work!!! and people wonder why some us are calling to upgrade the Oline.

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