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Last edited by Montoya; 01-14-2018, 11:09 AM.
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Let’s do a thought experiment:
Say Nelson turns out to be Zach Martin, and Chubb is Von Miller, and Fitz is Earl Thomas, Barkley is L-Bell, McGlinch is a stud LT, and Baker is Brees and Allen is Wentz....
If this is the case, with all the viable options at 5 (assuming Darnold and Rosen are long gone)....
Who wants which prospect?
Again, interior OL are much easier to find by scouring practice squads, sifting thro unheralded free agents, or uncovering in the middle to later rounds.... failed OTs can be converted....
I’m not against Nelson.... OG/OC are rocks you build a foundation upon... but they aren’t dynamic playmakers. Those types are really hard to find... rare gems, usually only available early in drafts.
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Originally posted by fraguela09 View PostLet’s do a thought experiment:
Say Nelson turns out to be Zach Martin, and Chubb is Von Miller, and Fitz is Earl Thomas, Barkley is L-Bell, McGlinch is a stud LT, and Baker is Brees and Allen is Wentz....
If this is the case, with all the viable options at 5 (assuming Darnold and Rosen are long gone)....
Who wants which prospect?
Again, interior OL are much easier to find by scouring practice squads, sifting thro unheralded free agents, or uncovering in the middle to later rounds.... failed OTs can be converted....
I’m not against Nelson.... OG/OC are rocks you build a foundation upon... but they aren’t dynamic playmakers. Those types are really hard to find... rare gems, usually only available early in drafts.
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Originally posted by atwaterandstir View PostWe have a huge lack of talent on the offense. We are likely to lose Sanders this season and DT next season. Our 2 best players on offense. Unless your thrilled with the in house options, taking Nelson this early almost forces us to spend big in FA or reach on a skill position next year.
If Cousins is signed, this plan makes far more sense because Nelson is a great player to pair with Bolles. If we end up with one of the other vets and minus Sanders(most likely scenario), I doubt Nelson is even considered......not at 5.
I think our first 2 picks should be used on OLine and a skill position. With as many as 5 QBs and 5 dbs going in the 1st plus several WRs in the mix we could have a really nice skill player or lineman fall to our early 2nd.
If we could end up with Cousins, Nelson and lets say Sony Michel in the 2nd, that is an incredible haul.sigpic
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Originally posted by atwaterandstir View PostThat is just a career list.....here is a more accurate one regarding starters. They used the criteria of starting at least half of your games since being drafted.
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/...draft-by-round
From the article.....
There is a very high bust rate for RBs. The first round gives you a 58% chance of finding a starter followed by 25% in the second, 16% in the third, 11% in the fourth, 9% in the fifth, 6% in the sixth and 0% in the 7th
OL- the first round has an 83% success rate. The second round is almost as good with 70%. Even the third and fourth aren't too shabby in comparison to success rates of other positions in the same rounds. (3rd - 40%, 4th - 29%).
We are looking for starters not bodies. This tells us that of all positions OL is the most likely position to find a starter after Rd 1. This also shows the best RBs are taken in Rd 1.sigpic
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Originally posted by Montoya View PostThe list goes on? I could put up a ton of Olineman that were drafted in the top 5 too that didn't pan out and were busts. No player is a for sure thing. None. I rather risk getting the next Peterson . Will Hernandez is who we should be drafting....in the 2nd. Not 5th overall. It's kind of crazy to sit here and act like he 100% is going to be a hall of famer like most of you are acting.sigpic
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Originally posted by fraguela09 View PostLet’s do a thought experiment:
Say Nelson turns out to be Zach Martin, and Chubb is Von Miller, and Fitz is Earl Thomas, Barkley is L-Bell, McGlinch is a stud LT, and Baker is Brees and Allen is Wentz....
If this is the case, with all the viable options at 5 (assuming Darnold and Rosen are long gone)....
Who wants which prospect?
Again, interior OL are much easier to find by scouring practice squads, sifting thro unheralded free agents, or uncovering in the middle to later rounds.... failed OTs can be converted....
I’m not against Nelson.... OG/OC are rocks you build a foundation upon... but they aren’t dynamic playmakers. Those types are really hard to find... rare gems, usually only available early in drafts.sigpic
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Originally posted by JvDub95 View PostSo we're taking free agency out completely here and we still have all the needs that we still have. I'm taking Mayfield (Brees) because he will elevate all players around him. His release is so quick that neutralizes the need for a superstar left tackle or superstar C/G. Good oline play is still needed but he makes up for mistakes made up front.
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I don't see a problem with going Quenton Nelson in the first, especially if we are getting Cousins. Only question to ask is if a) is Garcia no longer a de-facto starter, and b) ask if McGovern an option at G. If the answer is no to either, there should be no hesitation to get him. We will likely have the pick of the litter for almost any position we want at 5. minus QB.Superbowl 50 Champions!
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Originally posted by fraguela09 View PostLet’s do a thought experiment:
Say Nelson turns out to be Zach Martin, and Chubb is Von Miller, and Fitz is Earl Thomas, Barkley is L-Bell, McGlinch is a stud LT, and Baker is Brees and Allen is Wentz....
If this is the case, with all the viable options at 5 (assuming Darnold and Rosen are long gone)....
Who wants which prospect?
Again, interior OL are much easier to find by scouring practice squads, sifting thro unheralded free agents, or uncovering in the middle to later rounds.... failed OTs can be converted....
I’m not against Nelson.... OG/OC are rocks you build a foundation upon... but they aren’t dynamic playmakers. Those types are really hard to find... rare gems, usually only available early in drafts.What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care
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Originally posted by the0rangecrush View PostAs is with no FA? Baker. However, if we get Cousins, the whole dynamic changes.Superbowl 50 Champions!
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So true. Any mock before free agency is not even innuendo.... the picture becomes clearer when you see what needs are addressed before the draft. More so this year bc DEN cannot live with their current QB play.
If DEN gets a Keenum, Cousins or Bridgewater I’m free agency then they might not draft a QB early.... if they can’t get a QB, there will be 1 taken in the first 2 picks.
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Say Nelson turns out to be Zach Martin, and Chubb is Von Miller, and Fitz is Earl Thomas, Barkley is L-Bell, McGlinch is a stud LT, and Baker is Brees and Allen is Wentz....
Baker=Brees: 100%
Allen=Wentz: 100%
Chubb=Miller: 95%
Fitz=Earl Thomas: 90%
McGlinchy=Joe Thomas: 90%
Nelson=Martin 80%
Barkley=Bell 55%
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