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  • #16
    Originally posted by Johnny Football View Post
    I am not a fan of drafting Mayfield at 5th overall, I see a steep learning curve for him and don't see him being any more ready, or having any more potential then Kelly or Lynch. If the top 10 falls like that I would prefer to look at either Calvin Ridley or Quenton Nelson, especially if in this off-season you plan to get rid of one of Thomas or Sanders.

    Prince Amukamara is a very mediocre player, and I am assuming still has some name recognition from when he was severely over drafted and overrated coming out of Nebraska years ago. Going from Aqib Talib to him, and then spending Talibs money on a wide receiver in Robinson, after cutting Sanders, makes no sense and really they are just a bunch of lateral moves which if anything make the team worse.

    Signing Nate Solder would be a huge signing obviously and one worthy of the investment in my opinion, however, I am not a fan of then signing another guard to a big contract. We have one guard, Leary already making big money, we need to invest a pick inside the first 3 rounds to get a quality starting guard who we can develop ourselves, and not have to pay for a few years.

    Also what is going on at inside linebacker ? You are keeping Brandon Marshall who is going to make 25.5 million dollars over the next 3 years. Then you are adding a starter in Demario Davis who will command a mid level contract you would think, and then drafting an inside linebacker in the 3rd round ? I want starters from this draft and players who will make an impact now, John Elway isn't getting enough out of his drafts and he can't keep drafting backups.
    You are not a fan of Mayfield but there are many who are including our own Elway. The whole mock was based off the fact Cousins was signed by Minnesota. Allen Robinson is a legit #1 WR that would come with a fairly cheap price tag and would be an upgrade over an aging Sanders.

    You have a problem with spending money on the offensive line? So you want to keep Garcia? I guess I'm a little confused as to what you think fixed means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with paying for a couple of good guards. Paradis and Bolles are still pretty cheap contracts and the upgrade is desperately needed, it makes sense to me.

    The idea behind keeping Marshall for 1 more year is to let Jefferson slowly adjust to the league than let him and Davis take over the next year. I didn't spell that out but that was my thought. Imo, Talib is going get cut. What would be your choice to replace him? Trumaine Johnson would be available too but he would demand almost as much as Talib so that signing wouldn't happen. My thought was CHJ and Roby be the outside corners and Prince in the nickle. Maybe not ideal but I don't think Denver has a player on the roster that could do any better.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
      You are not a fan of Mayfield but there are many who are including our own Elway. The whole mock was based off the fact Cousins was signed by Minnesota. Allen Robinson is a legit #1 WR that would come with a fairly cheap price tag and would be an upgrade over an aging Sanders.

      You have a problem with spending money on the offensive line? So you want to keep Garcia? I guess I'm a little confused as to what you think fixed means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with paying for a couple of good guards. Paradis and Bolles are still pretty cheap contracts and the upgrade is desperately needed, it makes sense to me.

      The idea behind keeping Marshall for 1 more year is to let Jefferson slowly adjust to the league than let him and Davis take over the next year. I didn't spell that out but that was my thought. Imo, Talib is going get cut. What would be your choice to replace him? Trumaine Johnson would be available too but he would demand almost as much as Talib so that signing wouldn't happen. My thought was CHJ and Roby be the outside corners and Prince in the nickle. Maybe not ideal but I don't think Denver has a player on the roster that could do any better.
      Please do not “let Davis take over”. I really hope he doesn’t spend another year as a starting line backer for the Denver Broncos.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ksubroncosfan View Post
        Please do not “let Davis take over”. I really hope he doesn’t spend another year as a starting line backer for the Denver Broncos.
        I was talking about Demario Davis, the free agent signing. I had Todd Davis released....

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
          You are not a fan of Mayfield but there are many who are including our own Elway. The whole mock was based off the fact Cousins was signed by Minnesota. Allen Robinson is a legit #1 WR that would come with a fairly cheap price tag and would be an upgrade over an aging Sanders.

          You have a problem with spending money on the offensive line? So you want to keep Garcia? I guess I'm a little confused as to what you think fixed means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with paying for a couple of good guards. Paradis and Bolles are still pretty cheap contracts and the upgrade is desperately needed, it makes sense to me.

          The idea behind keeping Marshall for 1 more year is to let Jefferson slowly adjust to the league than let him and Davis take over the next year. I didn't spell that out but that was my thought. Imo, Talib is going get cut. What would be your choice to replace him? Trumaine Johnson would be available too but he would demand almost as much as Talib so that signing wouldn't happen. My thought was CHJ and Roby be the outside corners and Prince in the nickle. Maybe not ideal but I don't think Denver has a player on the roster that could do any better.
          We don't know what Elway is thinking, people need to stop thinking they do. Yes, the Broncos requested to coach Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, however, how he performs will be more important to making up John Elways mind in which direction he goes. Also, who is too say it isn't a smoke screen ? You never know.

          On Allen Robinson, yes he is good and coming off of an injury, but are you aware of the kind of wide receivers who make at least 5 million dollars and up per season ? Seth Roberts, Markus Wheaton, Terrell Pryor, Robert Woods, Corey Davis, Mike Wallace, Brandon Marshall, a pretty average list of guys and I would say that Robinson will command more money then you are expecting. Also by cutting Sanders, we will be accumulating 5.5 million in dead money, and saving 5.5 million in cap money, so really you are not opening up any money for other signings by cutting Sanders and signing Robinson to a smaller contract.

          On the offensive line, we are paying around 9 million per season to Ron Leary over the next 3 years, what contract will Norwell get ? He is a top rated guard in the league and will be getting at least say, 6 million per season ? That is 15 million dollars you are paying guards, that isn't smart in my opinion. And no, did you read my comment ? I said we need to draft someone in the early rounds to step in and start at guard, who we wont be paying big money to for a while, Garcia should of been cut last off-season.

          I agree that Talib will probably be cut, however in my opinion I think that will be a bad move by Elway unless he actually spends that money on someone who will contribute in a big way. I think cornerback is a position we can't afford to take a step back on if we want to continue to have this defense play at a solid level. Bradley Roby is good in the role he plays, but when he has been asked to do more, when Talib has been absent, there was a clear step down in talent. The ideal situation would be to have Aqib Talib sign a contract extension to re-work some of his money, something like 2 years and 16 million dollars or something around that. If not though, I understand signing someone to work the slot, or even drafting someone high, because Brandon Langley might be the worse corner I have ever seen.

          Originally posted by ksubroncosfan View Post
          I think he’ll be good. But, if we’re going to take a receiver I wouldn’t mind going for Kirk or Miller in the second round. As for TE, hopefully Butt turns out to be special. Otherwise maybe we can sign Trey Burton for a cheap deal to pair with Butt. He did pretty well when he had Wentz as a qb when Celek went down.
          Yeah I probably wouldn't even look at wide receiver in the draft until later unless someone has too much value to pass up. And the only problem I see with signing a free agent tight end, or a free agent receiver is, who are they coming here to play quarterback with ? Odds are if we want someone in free agency we will probably have to really overpay them for their services. I like Austin Traylor and think Jake Butt will be good, however I don't think adding another tight end in the mid rounds would hurt.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Johnny Football View Post
            We don't know what Elway is thinking, people need to stop thinking they do. Yes, the Broncos requested to coach Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, however, how he performs will be more important to making up John Elways mind in which direction he goes. Also, who is too say it isn't a smoke screen ? You never know.

            On Allen Robinson, yes he is good and coming off of an injury, but are you aware of the kind of wide receivers who make at least 5 million dollars and up per season ? Seth Roberts, Markus Wheaton, Terrell Pryor, Robert Woods, Corey Davis, Mike Wallace, Brandon Marshall, a pretty average list of guys and I would say that Robinson will command more money then you are expecting. Also by cutting Sanders, we will be accumulating 5.5 million in dead money, and saving 5.5 million in cap money, so really you are not opening up any money for other signings by cutting Sanders and signing Robinson to a smaller contract.

            On the offensive line, we are paying around 9 million per season to Ron Leary over the next 3 years, what contract will Norwell get ? He is a top rated guard in the league and will be getting at least say, 6 million per season ? That is 15 million dollars you are paying guards, that isn't smart in my opinion. And no, did you read my comment ? I said we need to draft someone in the early rounds to step in and start at guard, who we wont be paying big money to for a while, Garcia should of been cut last off-season.

            I agree that Talib will probably be cut, however in my opinion I think that will be a bad move by Elway unless he actually spends that money on someone who will contribute in a big way. I think cornerback is a position we can't afford to take a step back on if we want to continue to have this defense play at a solid level. Bradley Roby is good in the role he plays, but when he has been asked to do more, when Talib has been absent, there was a clear step down in talent. The ideal situation would be to have Aqib Talib sign a contract extension to re-work some of his money, something like 2 years and 16 million dollars or something around that. If not though, I understand signing someone to work the slot, or even drafting someone high, because Brandon Langley might be the worse corner I have ever seen.



            Yeah I probably wouldn't even look at wide receiver in the draft until later unless someone has too much value to pass up. And the only problem I see with signing a free agent tight end, or a free agent receiver is, who are they coming here to play quarterback with ? Odds are if we want someone in free agency we will probably have to really overpay them for their services. I like Austin Traylor and think Jake Butt will be good, however I don't think adding another tight end in the mid rounds would hurt.
            I see zero issue with paying for some good guards. Just like you think Mayfield could be a bust or take some time to develop, the same can be said for any rookie in all positions. Spending money on a good line is something that should have been done years ago. Especially if a rookie is going to be taking over, that line needs to be good. No guarantee a rookie G is going to pan out, we know Norwell will be good.

            Say what you want about Robinson and if you think it's a financial smart move or not. Cutting Sanders as a post June-1 cut frees up about $9Mil and comes with a cap hit of around $2 Mil. I love the idea of Thomas and Robinson as a 1 - 2 punch. This time is to dream and come up with what you think is the best possible roster but yet still be realistic on other teams that could come into play as well. It's just the way I see it happening.
            Last edited by JvDub95; 01-21-2018, 05:39 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
              I see zero issue with paying for some good guards. Just like you think Mayfield could be a bust or take some time to develop, the same can be said for any rookie in all positions. Spending money on a good line is something that should have been done years ago. Especially if a rookie is going to be taking over, that line needs to be good. No guarantee a rookie G is going to pan out, we know Norwell will be good.

              Say what you want about Robinson and if you think it's a financial smart move or not. Cutting Sanders as a post June-1 cut frees up about $9Mil and comes with a cap hit of around $2 Mil. I love the idea of Thomas and Robinson as a 1 - 2 punch. This time is to dream and come up with what you think is the best possible roster but yet still be realistic on other teams that could come into play as well. It's just the way I see it happening.
              Fair enough, different strokes for different folks. I disagree that spending money should have been done years ago on the offensive line though, I think John Elway should have invested high draft capital into the group instead, and signed a guy here or there. And too be fair, Elway has been spending money on the offensive line in free agency, he just can't seem to bring in quality guys. Menelik Watson, Russell Okung, Manny Ramirez and Donald Stephenson for example. Who was the last offensive lineman he actually drafted and re-signed ?

              I also think finding a guard in the draft, a tackle in the draft, a linebacker in the draft, I think finding any other position other than a quarterback in the draft is much different, it is much easier. I think you can slate many more offensive line prospects into teams as immediate starters then quarterbacks, and have much more success. History shows us this, and there are some really good guard prospects in this draft who could instantly be upgrades over Barbe and Garcia.

              Also, cutting Sanders post June 1st frees up 8.2 million and comes with a 5.2 million cap hit over 2 years as opposed to 1, just breaks up the dead money. I think having Robinson here would be great, he is truly a number 1 receiver when healthy and could help any quarterback who is actually willing to throw his way. I can understand the move I guess, but I wouldn't be looking to spend big money on a wide out when you have holes now at cornerback due to cutting Aqib Talib, just my opinion

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              • #22
                Very well put together. However, I think if Josh Allen is available at #5 Elway will take him over Mayfield. However, I think the Browns will take him 1 overall, Giants take Rosen, and the Jets pop up to 4 and take Darnold in front of us. Leaving us with Mayfield. I don’t want us spending pick 5 on him, but if he’s Elways guy he won’t hesitate.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
                  Very well put together. However, I think if Josh Allen is available at #5 Elway will take him over Mayfield. However, I think the Browns will take him 1 overall, Giants take Rosen, and the Jets pop up to 4 and take Darnold in front of us. Leaving us with Mayfield. I don’t want us spending pick 5 on him, but if he’s Elways guy he won’t hesitate.
                  I don't think Elway will hesitate at all at 5 if he has a guy there he wants. In my mind it is Mayfield because I just don't see either of the big 2 being there at 5. Rosen and Darnold will both be gone. Maybe he has a secret love affair with one of them and he tries to trade up for 1 of them, I just don't see that happening. I'm not ruling out Cousins here either, I really think Elway makes a strong push for him. He makes the most sense for quick turnaround here.

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                  • #24
                    I would lose all faith if we draft Darnold over Baker...didnt go past that as I think Darnold is trash and Baker is ridiculously good.

                    I get amazed that people can even find it close when you watch the games of both these guys

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
                      I would lose all faith if we draft Darnold over Baker...didnt go past that as I think Darnold is trash and Baker is ridiculously good.

                      I get amazed that people can even find it close when you watch the games of both these guys
                      What does mayfield do that darnold doesn’t? Darnold has a stronger arm makes more nfl caliber throws more anticipation throws and throws into tight windows he has better throw on the run ability. The interceptions aren’t that much of a concern it’s really the fumbles. Just curious of what makes one good and the other trash.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by shawinkerpoppin View Post
                        What does mayfield do that darnold doesn’t? Darnold has a stronger arm makes more nfl caliber throws more anticipation throws and throws into tight windows he has better throw on the run ability. The interceptions aren’t that much of a concern it’s really the fumbles. Just curious of what makes one good and the other trash.
                        To me I didn't see that from Darnold (at least with any consistency). I feel like Mayfield is way more accurate and was better at throwing people open... I have watched Mayfield carve teams up ridiculously dropping dime after dime with extremely good accuracy.

                        Even when teams would know he's gonna be throwing he'd carve right through and make it look easy.

                        I never watched Darnold make it look easy and be so consistent, not like that... I've seen him get beat the hell down by Ohio State tho. He looked super bad. And he also always looks lost to me. He doesn't seem super poised.

                        For me that's big... I look at how a guy looks, how in control and poised are you? He looked like trashhh vs Ohio State. Looks lost at times. Doesn't look like a confident NFL QB. I feel like he's a QB I'd never get behind as a player either.

                        Mayfield's character concerns me but on the field...I think it's crazy anyone could take Darnold over Mayfield (unless when you interview the dude he just is a clown)

                        Mayfield is always poised, fiery, ready to go. He seems natural. Darnold doesn't give me any of the same vibes

                        Just my opinion though. Time will tell (And maybe not depending on where they go, that'll have big effect on outcome)
                        Last edited by #24 Next Champ; 01-22-2018, 03:05 PM.

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                        • #27
                          4 QBs taken in the top 10? That's pretty bold... don't think that's ever happened before

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
                            To me I didn't see that from Darnold (at least with any consistency). I feel like Mayfield is way more accurate and was better at throwing people open... I have watched Mayfield carve teams up ridiculously dropping dime after dime with extremely good accuracy.

                            Even when teams would know he's gonna be throwing he'd carve right through and make it look easy.

                            I never watched Darnold make it look easy and be so consistent, not like that... I've seen him get beat the hell down by Ohio State tho. He looked super bad. And he also always looks lost to me. He doesn't seem super poised.

                            For me that's big... I look at how a guy looks, how in control and poised are you? He looked like trashhh vs Ohio State. Looks lost at times. Doesn't look like a confident NFL QB. I feel like he's a QB I'd never get behind as a player either.

                            Mayfield's character concerns me but on the field...I think it's crazy anyone could take Darnold over Mayfield (unless when you interview the dude he just is a clown)

                            Mayfield is always poised, fiery, ready to go. He seems natural. Darnold doesn't give me any of the same vibes

                            Just my opinion though. Time will tell (And maybe not depending on where they go, that'll have big effect on outcome)
                            I like Mayfield a lot, but many feel he is a system QB who played with quite a bit of talent surrounding him. Often times his receivers were wide open, much more so than they will be at the pro level.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
                              4 QBs taken in the top 10? That's pretty bold... don't think that's ever happened before
                              Yeah its pretty bold but I just see a lot of QB needy teams with not a lot of free agents to go around.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                                Yeah its pretty bold but I just see a lot of QB needy teams with not a lot of free agents to go around.
                                There's 4 QB needy teams in top 6 (CLE, NYG, DEN & NYJ), If SF can't hold onto JG, that's 5 in the top 10

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