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  • #46
    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    The thing is JE cannot afford another reach like Paxton Lynch or Brock Oswiller. If he reaches then we are doomed once again.
    Is it a reach if it's for one of the top 2 in the draft though? Oz and Lynch were not considered the best, they were each about 4th best in their respective classes.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
      The thing is JE cannot afford another reach like Paxton Lynch or Brock Oswiller. If he reaches then we are doomed once again.
      Except neither of those were reaches. Both players were taken right about where they were expected to go.

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      • #48
        So I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and Grier, for a little bit.

        What I know: Coaches kid, been around the game his whole life. All signs point to amazing work ethic and will (heh get it) to succeed. He did not leave UF for lesser talent to play against, he was forced out because the new coach wanted his recruit. Led UF to 6-0 record throwing for over 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns, against the likes of Kentucky, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Mizzou. UF went 4-4 in his absence. Suspended for something that was in an OTC supplement, Ligandrol. Ligandrol was not listed on the NCAA’s banned substance list but is still considered a banned substance. Grier had researched the supplement and it's ingredients and did not find it on the banned list. Ligandrol is a SARM, not a steroid. It's basically reformulated creatine, in laymen terms.


        McElwain lied to the media and said he was free to practice with the team but then told Grier he wasn't welcome. In a meeting to discuss the players future, McElwain was hours late because he was out recruiting Felipe Franks.

        Husband and father.

        My opinions:


        McElwain is a joke and a liar, and has had that reputation for quite some time. He used the incident to move on from Grier, and tried to destroy Grier's reputation in the process. There was definitely something very personal going on.

        This has a similar situation like Mayfield written all over it. Grier has excelled in two different systems, not just because they don't play defense in the Big 12.

        My thoughts on watching him play:
        Over the top elongated throwing motion, but amazing accuracy. The ball jumps out of his hand with torque, velocity, and rotation, despite not having the strongest arm. Has the prerequisite arm strength to make any throw. Footwork can get sloppy at times, though his mechanics in his upper body rarely break down. He gets skittish under pressure, most likely because he's used to having a high average amount of time to locate his targets. Great size and body development. 6'3, listed at 220 but looks to play over that weight. I can't say it enough, in his best games he has all day to throw, and usually with a clean pocket. (so did Mayfield)

        I like him as a mid to end of the first QB. Nice frame, decent whip, amazing accuracy. Lots of fire and his teammates seem to lean on him for that.

        I think if Denver is transitioning to an RPO, this would be a nice pick for us. Provided of course, that he receives the necessary coaching at the next level to be successful.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
          So I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and Grier, for a little bit.

          What I know: Coaches kid, been around the game his whole life. All signs point to amazing work ethic and will (heh get it) to succeed. He did not leave UF for lesser talent to play against, he was forced out because the new coach wanted his recruit. Led UF to 6-0 record throwing for over 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns, against the likes of Kentucky, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Mizzou. UF went 4-4 in his absence. Suspended for something that was in an OTC supplement, Ligandrol. Ligandrol was not listed on the NCAA’s banned substance list but is still considered a banned substance. Grier had researched the supplement and it's ingredients and did not find it on the banned list. Ligandrol is a SARM, not a steroid. It's basically reformulated creatine, in laymen terms.


          McElwain lied to the media and said he was free to practice with the team but then told Grier he wasn't welcome. In a meeting to discuss the players future, McElwain was hours late because he was out recruiting Felipe Franks.

          Husband and father.

          My opinions:


          McElwain is a joke and a liar, and has had that reputation for quite some time. He used the incident to move on from Grier, and tried to destroy Grier's reputation in the process. There was definitely something very personal going on.

          This has a similar situation like Mayfield written all over it. Grier has excelled in two different systems, not just because they don't play defense in the Big 12.

          My thoughts on watching him play:
          Over the top elongated throwing motion, but amazing accuracy. The ball jumps out of his hand with torque, velocity, and rotation, despite not having the strongest arm. Has the prerequisite arm strength to make any throw. Footwork can get sloppy at times, though his mechanics in his upper body rarely break down. He gets skittish under pressure, most likely because he's used to having a high average amount of time to locate his targets. Great size and body development. 6'3, listed at 220 but looks to play over that weight. I can't say it enough, in his best games he has all day to throw, and usually with a clean pocket. (so did Mayfield)

          I like him as a mid to end of the first QB. Nice frame, decent whip, amazing accuracy. Lots of fire and his teammates seem to lean on him for that.

          I think if Denver is transitioning to an RPO, this would be a nice pick for us. Provided of course, that he receives the necessary coaching at the next level to be successful.
          Good breakdown. Thanks.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
            So I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and Grier, for a little bit.

            What I know: Coaches kid, been around the game his whole life. All signs point to amazing work ethic and will (heh get it) to succeed. He did not leave UF for lesser talent to play against, he was forced out because the new coach wanted his recruit. Led UF to 6-0 record throwing for over 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns, against the likes of Kentucky, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Mizzou. UF went 4-4 in his absence. Suspended for something that was in an OTC supplement, Ligandrol. Ligandrol was not listed on the NCAA’s banned substance list but is still considered a banned substance. Grier had researched the supplement and it's ingredients and did not find it on the banned list. Ligandrol is a SARM, not a steroid. It's basically reformulated creatine, in laymen terms.


            McElwain lied to the media and said he was free to practice with the team but then told Grier he wasn't welcome. In a meeting to discuss the players future, McElwain was hours late because he was out recruiting Felipe Franks.

            Husband and father.

            My opinions:


            McElwain is a joke and a liar, and has had that reputation for quite some time. He used the incident to move on from Grier, and tried to destroy Grier's reputation in the process. There was definitely something very personal going on.

            This has a similar situation like Mayfield written all over it. Grier has excelled in two different systems, not just because they don't play defense in the Big 12.

            My thoughts on watching him play:
            Over the top elongated throwing motion, but amazing accuracy. The ball jumps out of his hand with torque, velocity, and rotation, despite not having the strongest arm. Has the prerequisite arm strength to make any throw. Footwork can get sloppy at times, though his mechanics in his upper body rarely break down. He gets skittish under pressure, most likely because he's used to having a high average amount of time to locate his targets. Great size and body development. 6'3, listed at 220 but looks to play over that weight. I can't say it enough, in his best games he has all day to throw, and usually with a clean pocket. (so did Mayfield)

            I like him as a mid to end of the first QB. Nice frame, decent whip, amazing accuracy. Lots of fire and his teammates seem to lean on him for that.

            I think if Denver is transitioning to an RPO, this would be a nice pick for us. Provided of course, that he receives the necessary coaching at the next level to be successful.
            Nice analysis, I'm a big fan of Grier and hope we draft him.

            That being said, a selective androgen receptor modulator is not at all similar to creatine. You are correct in that it is not technically a steroid, as it is not synthetic hormone, but it goes quite well with them. Or other peptides. Good for a nice 5 or so pounds of muscle depending on the individual's standing muscle mass.

            I for one think it is a positive that Grier took an effort to put on some more muscle by taking a barely legal approach. PED use should be allowed, supported, and monitored in professional sports.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
              Nice analysis, I'm a big fan of Grier and hope we draft him.

              That being said, a selective androgen receptor modulator is not at all similar to creatine. You are correct in that it is not technically a steroid, as it is not synthetic hormone, but it goes quite well with them. Or other peptides. Good for a nice 5 or so pounds of muscle depending on the individual's standing muscle mass.

              I for one think it is a positive that Grier took an effort to put on some more muscle by taking a barely legal approach. PED use should be allowed, supported, and monitored in professional sports.
              Totally get it about the supplement. Was just trying to make it simple to understand.
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              • #52
                if grier last till like 20-15 i would look to trade up into the back end of the first round for him. if he doesn't which i don't feel he will.
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                • #53
                  He had a pretty good game today going 27/48 for 364 yards and 2 TDs. And making a few clutch throws to get them down to the OK State 10 in ultimately what would become a failed final drive. But to put it in context, they got the ball at their own 25 with 40 seconds to go and were deep in the OK State end with 7 seconds to go, and used both of their final 2 timeouts to set up for the final play with 1 second to go.

                  Also to go completely off topic for a few seconds OK State features 3 Alberta football players, the most high profile of which is RB Chuba Hubbard, who will likely get some NFL chances when he is draft eligible either after next season (he'll be a RS sophomore) or the year after. Next year he's going to have a big big season, he's already taking over the backfield job at Ok State.
                  Last edited by Butler By'Note; 11-17-2018, 07:38 PM.

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                  • #54
                    heres my biggest worry i don't see much of a difference between Grier and patterson. or Grier jones and patterson. i don't see a ton of difference between those 3 guys. and i think Patterson will drop to the second. so i am not sure i would waste more tehn a low first on any these guys. but in the second all of them should be in discusion. if grier or jones drops out side of the top 20, i think there needs to be conversations to trade up. if we could get a back up and grab one of these guys late first for a 3rd it would end up being a steal. but i am not sure of them becoming franchise QB, but i think they can all easily end up as average QB and have an Alex Smith type career. which i would take. it would make our team a contender for the playoffs if we had a QB that played like alex played in kc or SF
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
                      heres my biggest worry i don't see much of a difference between Grier and patterson. or Grier jones and patterson. i don't see a ton of difference between those 3 guys. and i think Patterson will drop to the second. so i am not sure i would waste more tehn a low first on any these guys. but in the second all of them should be in discusion. if grier or jones drops out side of the top 20, i think there needs to be conversations to trade up. if we could get a back up and grab one of these guys late first for a 3rd it would end up being a steal. but i am not sure of them becoming franchise QB, but i think they can all easily end up as average QB and have an Alex Smith type career. which i would take. it would make our team a contender for the playoffs if we had a QB that played like alex played in kc or SF
                      There doesnt seem to be a clear seperation between them. With vj possibly leaving who fits what we want to do is up in the air. Right now im all for grier, jones, findley in the 2nd but some of them wont last that long. Lock has the big arm but has accuracy issues.
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                      • #56
                        I got to see some of the fourth quarter, by no means a large sample size. I liked Grier's accuracy, he was putting the ball in tight spots. The one deep throw I saw him attempt is was tow deep safeties, they ran a post to try and split them, the safeties stayed, but he might have been able to complete it if he missed long, but the ball was under thrown.

                        I know one of the knocks on him is arm strength and the deep ball, it'll be interesting to see if that turns out to be a thing, or if he can put that to bed.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by armedequation View Post
                          There doesnt seem to be a clear seperation between them. With vj possibly leaving who fits what we want to do is up in the air. Right now im all for grier, jones, findley in the 2nd but some of them wont last that long. Lock has the big arm but has accuracy issues.
                          He played a darn good game yesterday and didn't have any accuracy issues. I keep hearing how this draft isn't a good QB draft but from what I am seeing so far it looks like the opposite. There seems to be a handful of QBs that have some special qualities. I was impressed with Lock yesterday and it wouldn't surprise me to see him and Grier battle it out for who is the 2nd or 3rd best out of this draft.

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                          • #58
                            Interesting scouting report from Daniel Jeremiah.

                            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...2019-nfl-draft

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
                              Interesting scouting report from Daniel Jeremiah.

                              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...2019-nfl-draft
                              Unfortunately a little old of an analysis, pre-november buy he had some good things to say

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                                Unfortunately a little old of an analysis, pre-november buy he had some good things to say
                                Certainly, it was before the season, but it's good to see what a scout saw in the player before the season. Grier's biggest thing will probably be the interviews at the combine.

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