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  • #91
    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
    There are QBs that are legit 1st rounders and those who are pushed up the draft boards because of desperation. The teams that traded up for Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson are pretty happy right now. They evaluated those QBs and moved up to get them.

    That's different from sitting on a draft pick and just taking any QB who's available. That's what the Titans did with Locker. He was not supposed to go there. Remember the reaction from NFL Network? The "Locker Shocker" with Mike Mayock jumping from his chair? That was bad scouting and draft management.

    The same can be said about Christian Ponder. He was considered a 2nd-round QB at best and was another huge surprise. The Vikings were not in love with him, they did not move up to get him. They just stood there and picked the next QB available after Newton, Locker and Gabbert were gone.

    The Rams and Eagles did not stay with their original draft picks and thought "oh well, we will just pick any QB that's left on the board, the highest one on the board". They identified Goff and Wentz as their guys and made the moves to trade up and get them.

    Scouting matters a great deal. If you can't scout, you will miss, be it a QB or an offensive lineman. See: Jason Smith, Matt Kalil, Luke Joeckel, Chance Warmack, Jonathan Cooper. They were considered can't miss prospects.

    Drafting a good QB: how can it be done? The big challenge is isolating the QB skills from the college scheme and the inflated stats. What you can judge is his arm talent, his mechanics. Is he a natural thrower? Also, don't skip the intangibles. You have to dig deep to find out who really loves football and has the maturity and intelligence to play the position in the pros.

    According to Mark Schlereth, multiple GMs told him that Paxton Lynch was removed from their boards after they interviewed him. When you listen to Paxton Lynch and see how lackadaisical he is, that's not surprising. Elway and the Broncos front office missed that part, probably blinded by the upside of the physical tools.
    Good post.

    One thing connected to the college offense in which a prospective QB played is its volume and complexity of reads. It's hard to evaluate because there isn't a college defense at any level that matches the varied reads a QB sees once he gets to the NFL. It is possible during the course of a pro game for a QB to think he's seeing the same thing no more than twice. Cover 2 Robber starts out looking like Cover 2 which could also be Tampa 2. Those three look the same pre-snap. Zone Blitz puts both a rusher and a pass defender where they are not expected to be. 3-3-5 is also difficult to read and nearly impossible to predict.

    Prospective pro QBs need to be evaluated on something for which there is no comparison at the college level. Dwayne Haskins plays in an offense with some of the most basic reads possible: six in the box = run Option; seven in the box = throw middle, if MOFO; outside , if MOFC. His other observable skills will only be useful if he can command the mental aspect.

    One of the most disturbing things about Paxton Lynch was the extreme simplicity of the offense he was asked to run at Memphis. Another was that he was exclusively a gun/direct snap QB. I understand that some feel putting the ball in play from under center is outdated because they think rushing attacks are also obsolete. Defenses designed to stop the pass can work if that's all the opposing offense does, or if they succeed in stopping the run and forcing the opponent to pass. Rushing attacks that put the ball in play from under center can be more effective. So, whether or not a QB prospect can play under center is an issue in scouting.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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    • #92
      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
      Good post.

      One thing connected to the college offense in which a prospective QB played is its volume and complexity of reads. It's hard to evaluate because there isn't a college defense at any level that matches the varied reads a QB sees once he gets to the NFL. It is possible during the course of a pro game for a QB to think he's seeing the same thing no more than twice. Cover 2 Robber starts out looking like Cover 2 which could also be Tampa 2. Those three look the same pre-snap. Zone Blitz puts both a rusher and a pass defender where they are not expected to be. 3-3-5 is also difficult to read and nearly impossible to predict.

      Prospective pro QBs need to be evaluated on something for which there is no comparison at the college level. Dwayne Haskins plays in an offense with some of the most basic reads possible: six in the box = run Option; seven in the box = throw middle, if MOFO; outside , if MOFC. His other observable skills will only be useful if he can command the mental aspect.

      One of the most disturbing things about Paxton Lynch was the extreme simplicity of the offense he was asked to run at Memphis. Another was that he was exclusively a gun/direct snap QB. I understand that some feel putting the ball in play from under center is outdated because they think rushing attacks are also obsolete. Defenses designed to stop the pass can work if that's all the opposing offense does, or if they succeed in stopping the run and forcing the opponent to pass. Rushing attacks that put the ball in play from under center can be more effective. So, whether or not a QB prospect can play under center is an issue in scouting.
      Sam, are there any QB prospects who've caught your eye this year?

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      • #93
        Originally posted by gerontion View Post
        Sam, are there any QB prospects who've caught your eye this year?
        Outside of the one team I follow, haven't had time to watch college football this year.
        "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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        • #94
          Originally posted by samparnell View Post
          Outside of the one team I follow, haven't had time to watch college football this year.
          Which team is yours?
          "Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion." Jimmy Ruffin

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          • #95
            Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
            Which team is yours?
            The local one, UNM Lobos.
            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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