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  • JvDub95
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    https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...kson-offseason

    Looks like the Jaguars are going to release Jackson!

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Can we say neither.

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  • ERoyal248
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    I think both will get too much that Elway will pay.

    Regarding Clowney, Houston has 73 million in cap space, i think they most likely tag him then sign him.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by gerontion View Post
    Butler, are there any interior pass rushers you'd want in free agency or the draft?
    Not sure yet. I haven't looked too much into things at this point. But I do agree with the post directly above mine, Peko (on a 1 year), Harris (needs extension) and Kerr have all done the job this year, and for much cheaper than Jackson or Campbell.

    But they do need an interior pass rush, I think if they go into 2019 assuming that Harris is their pass rushing 1 tech, and Walker will be their pass rushing 3 tech they need to add a player who can go from either spot. So someone in the 290 range, with a little bit of burst.

    And as I've said a lot, I'd make the permanent switch to a 4-3 base, and start looking for LBs that can run and cover. One of the big things the Seahawks had during their run and the Broncos had from 2012-2015 is linebackers with speed, teams trying to get the edge had problems because the backers could flow so quickly. Get 3 of them back on the field, and look for speed from the 2 outside guys.

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  • conannilsen
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    Peko Harris and Kerr will combined take less money than either Jackson or Campbell will earn alone.

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  • conannilsen
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    Both could have been here if they wanted to be. I like our linemen now. No need to add em.

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  • gerontion
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Clowney is an above average player who's going to get paid like a superstar because that's what happens in free agency. But signing him doesn't address what the Broncos actually need, interior pass rush options.

    As for Campbell and Jackson. Jackson is younger, but not having a good season this year. He'll get overpaid by someone based on what he's done previously, but there are warning signs.

    Campbell will get a big contract from someone but based on age he's realistically getting paid for what he's done in his career and not what he will do during that contract. If he would come for a reasonable price he'd be the one I'd sign, but I think some team (San Fran or Indy) will give him a massive contract hoping he is a piece they desperately need to help their defenses.
    Butler, are there any interior pass rushers you'd want in free agency or the draft?

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    I would love to see Clowney, Miller and Chubb on the Line that would be sick lol !
    Clowney is an above average player who's going to get paid like a superstar because that's what happens in free agency. But signing him doesn't address what the Broncos actually need, interior pass rush options.

    As for Campbell and Jackson. Jackson is younger, but not having a good season this year. He'll get overpaid by someone based on what he's done previously, but there are warning signs.

    Campbell will get a big contract from someone but based on age he's realistically getting paid for what he's done in his career and not what he will do during that contract. If he would come for a reasonable price he'd be the one I'd sign, but I think some team (San Fran or Indy) will give him a massive contract hoping he is a piece they desperately need to help their defenses.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    I would love to see Clowney, Miller and Chubb on the Line that would be sick lol !

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Ideally a 4-3 Defensive Front – 1 Gap Technique but with Miller playing a QB Rover role.

    Miller is the Super Bowl MVP of Denver's defense, and he gets paid accordingly.
    I think it's time Elway allows his superstar to play free.
    As QBRover, Miller would be the ultimate wildcard.
    (We need to get creative, lol)

    Realistically a hybrid 4-3 front using a combination of one and two gap schemes.

    Here's the "breakdown"
    One Gap: Chubb and Clowney
    Two gap: Harris, Phillips
    One or two gaps (depending on call): Gotsis, Walker, Kaufusi, Kerr,

    Corbin Kaufusi, 3-4DE, BYU reminds me of Wolfe and Gotsis.
    He did work on Wisconsin right tackle David Edwards.
    Kaufusi eventually replaces Gotsis.

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    QBRover Von Miller free to cause havoc.
    ILB Devin White (the next Ray Lewis) can man the middle.
    LB TJ Edwards can also defend the run and pass.

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    Harris Jr + Ronald Darby
    Simmons + Parks

    Eventually, I would move Harris Jr. to S when his play starts to decline,
    then when he retires, I'd offer him the DB coaching position.

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    Who knows? The team could decide to pack up and move to Los Angeles too.
    While it's true that one or two gap run defense can be played from either an odd front or a split front, it isn't true that defenses play both one and two gap. The reason has to do with personnel, technique and reads.

    If two gap/funnel run defense is to be used, it is essential to have D-Linemen who command a double. In an odd front (3-4, 50) that would be the 0 and 4/5 techs. In a split front (wide 9) that would be the 2 techs and at least the tight side 5. These guys must not be moved from the LOS while they are reading the blocks they are absorbing. They must be able to split or shed a double to make a play on a runner funneled inside by the perimeter defenders.

    One gap/spill D-Linemen/Backers attack and fill a specific gap. They must be quick off the snap to occupy but not go through the assigned gap. They need good vision and reflexes to locate and pursue the ball. They need to be big and strong enough to keep their feet in the midst of the opposing O-Line. If all gaps are properly filled on a run, the ball carrier will be tackled in the box area, or will be spilled to the sideline with front side pursuit and back side defenders to prevent cutback/counter. The concept is to fill the gaps and pursue, so speed of all defenders is necessary to provide pursuit to the sideline.

    Two gap run D is read and react by all members of the front seven. The reads by the Mike in a split front or the Inside Backers in an odd front have several steps in a progression. Backers in an odd front usually start their progression of reads with the uncovered Guards. Mike in a split front starts his read with the uncovered Center and scans from there to the meshpoint. The Backer reads in two gap run D are much more complicated than one gap.

    Since there are technically six gaps (two each of A, B and C) six of the front seven in a one gap run D are assigned those gaps. The only reads they make is in which direction the gaps move and to flow to the ball. Where one gap is read and react, two gap is attack and pursue.

    At all levels, but especially in the NFL, the necessary personnel must be in place in order to run one or the other. It seems very unlikely that both one and two gap could be used by one defense in the same season because they are coached and played very differently. It would be too much to learn and do, and would cause players (especially Backers) to do too much thinking which would detract from their making plays.
    Last edited by samparnell; 11-29-2018, 06:52 AM.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    like i said i don't really like von at SLB in the 4-3 i prefer him at DE. i also don't like jewel at WLB at all. you need a coverage guy there. and jewel is in the bottom half in coverage.
    Honestly, I did not think I would have to get into such detail with you.
    I kind of like it, lol.

    Hopefully, my previous post helped on Miller.

    I honestly had high hopes for Jewell as I thought he would be a steal.
    Sadly, Cravens has not worked out as hoped either.
    Having Barr would be great FA addition, but he'd cost too much $$$$.
    I'd rather have Clowney because his play at DE could be the difference our teams needs.

    TJ Edwards could overtake Jewell's spot, but the jury is still out on Jewell.

    Ideally Denver would sub in a DB on obvious passing plays, or hopefully, Edwards pans out as a cover LB next to ILB White.

    Again, who knows what Elway will decide?

    All I know is Denver needs an infusion of depth on the OL.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    One gap or two gap?
    Ideally a 4-3 Defensive Front – 1 Gap Technique but with Miller playing a QB Rover role.

    Miller is the Super Bowl MVP of Denver's defense, and he gets paid accordingly.
    I think it's time Elway allows his superstar to play free.
    As QBRover, Miller would be the ultimate wildcard.
    (We need to get creative, lol)

    Realistically a hybrid 4-3 front using a combination of one and two gap schemes.

    Here's the "breakdown"
    One Gap: Chubb and Clowney
    Two gap: Harris, Phillips
    One or two gaps (depending on call): Gotsis, Walker, Kaufusi, Kerr,

    Corbin Kaufusi, 3-4DE, BYU reminds me of Wolfe and Gotsis.
    He did work on Wisconsin right tackle David Edwards.
    Kaufusi eventually replaces Gotsis.

    ——————————————————————————————

    QBRover Von Miller free to cause havoc.
    ILB Devin White (the next Ray Lewis) can man the middle.
    LB TJ Edwards can also defend the run and pass.

    ——————————————————————————————

    Harris Jr + Ronald Darby
    Simmons + Parks

    Eventually, I would move Harris Jr. to S when his play starts to decline,
    then when he retires, I'd offer him the DB coaching position.

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    Who knows? The team could decide to pack up and move to Los Angeles too.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    This is my ultimate defensive hybrid solution to solidify Denver's D for years to come.
    (brace yourself, lol)

    I would like to see more of Walker too with the anticipation of re-signing him.

    34DT Peko will be a FA; 2018 cap of $4.2M (gone)
    34DE Kerr will also be a FA; 2018 cap of $1.7M
    (re-signed)

    DT/NT Jordan Phillips (2018 cap of roughly $1M) is listed as a 43DT but at 26, 6' 6", 334, 28 bench (Peko had 25);
    at the very least, I think he can back up Peko's replacement for less $$$.

    I would re-sign NT Shelby Harris ($$) as Peko's replacement (Harris) ASAP.
    I would also re-sign DE Zach Kerr ($).

    Harris and FA Phillips ($) would be Denver's NT/DT going forward.

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    DL hybrid core: (DC could get creative, starters in bold)

    rushDE Chubb, Miller (SLB)
    DL Walker, Gotsis, Kaufusi [BYU '19R5]
    NT/DT Harris $$, Phillips $
    DE Clowney $$$$, Kerr $

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    I'm torn between ILB Devin White in R1 or LT Bolles' potential R1 replacement. (Bolles to G.)


    LB hybrid core:

    WILB Jewell -or-TJ Edwards [Wisconsin '19R3]
    SILB White [LSU '19 R1], Jones or Johnson or Bierra
    SLB Miller, Holland

    UFA LB Shaquil Barrett wants to be a Cowboy. (gone)
    UFA LB Shane Ray wants to be a Chief. (gone)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CB core:

    Chris Harris Jr.
    FA Ronald Darby $$$ (Harris' future replacement)
    FA Jason McCourty $$ (veteran CB- one year)
    FA E.J. Gaines $$ (Future #3 or future slot)
    Isaac Yiadom (jury is out)
    Brendan Langley (jury is out)

    DB/S core:

    Justin Simmons
    Will Parks
    Dymonte Thomas
    Su'a Cravens
    Jamal Carter (jury is out)

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    Perhaps unrealistic but possible given the cap saved by releasing:

    ILB Marshall (5M cap saved),
    ILB Davis (3M cap saved),
    DE Wolfe (8M cap saved),
    S Stewart (5M cap saved)
    NT Peko ($4.2M cap roll over)

    = roughly 25M cleared cap available for defensive FAs, not including cap space freed on Offense.
    (Take 25M from 2019 cap space/roll over fund to completely sign defensive FAs, $50M total)

    Hopefully, Denver's DC could make this theoretical-unit shine.

    The End. lol
    like i said i don't really like von at SLB in the 4-3 i prefer him at DE. i also don't like jewel at WLB at all. you need a coverage guy there. and jewel is in the bottom half in coverage.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    This is my ultimate defensive hybrid solution to solidify Denver's D for years to come.
    (brace yourself, lol)

    I would like to see more of Walker too with the anticipation of re-signing him.

    34DT Peko will be a FA; 2018 cap of $4.2M (gone)
    34DE Kerr will also be a FA; 2018 cap of $1.7M
    (re-signed)

    DT/NT Jordan Phillips (2018 cap of roughly $1M) is listed as a 43DT but at 26, 6' 6", 334, 28 bench (Peko had 25);
    at the very least, I think he can back up Peko's replacement for less $$$.

    I would re-sign NT Shelby Harris ($$) as Peko's replacement (Harris) ASAP.
    I would also re-sign DE Zach Kerr ($).

    Harris and FA Phillips ($) would be Denver's NT/DT going forward.

    ————————————————————————————————————————————

    DL hybrid core: (DC could get creative, starters in bold)

    rushDE Chubb, Miller (SLB)
    DL Walker, Gotsis, Kaufusi [BYU '19R5]
    NT/DT Harris $$, Phillips $
    DE Clowney $$$$, Kerr $

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'm torn between ILB Devin White in R1 or LT Bolles' potential R1 replacement. (Bolles to G.)


    LB hybrid core:

    WILB Jewell -or-TJ Edwards [Wisconsin '19R3]
    SILB White [LSU '19 R1], Jones or Johnson or Bierra
    SLB Miller, Holland

    UFA LB Shaquil Barrett wants to be a Cowboy. (gone)
    UFA LB Shane Ray wants to be a Chief. (gone)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CB core:

    Chris Harris Jr.
    FA Ronald Darby $$$ (Harris' future replacement)
    FA Jason McCourty $$ (veteran CB- one year)
    FA E.J. Gaines $$ (Future #3 or future slot)
    Isaac Yiadom (jury is out)
    Brendan Langley (jury is out)

    DB/S core:

    Justin Simmons
    Will Parks
    Dymonte Thomas
    Su'a Cravens
    Jamal Carter (jury is out)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Perhaps unrealistic but possible given the cap saved by releasing:

    ILB Marshall (5M cap saved),
    ILB Davis (3M cap saved),
    DE Wolfe (8M cap saved),
    S Stewart (5M cap saved)
    NT Peko ($4.2M cap roll over)

    = roughly 25M cleared cap available for defensive FAs, not including cap space freed on Offense.
    (Take 25M from 2019 cap space/roll over fund to completely sign defensive FAs, $50M total)

    Hopefully, Denver's DC could make this theoretical-unit shine.

    The End. lol
    One gap or two gap?

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by gerontion View Post
    He brought back Osweiler.
    For vet minimum while the Browns were paying Brock big $ they inherited from Houston in the trade.

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