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  • #46
    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    IF Denver's talent and draft evaluators Havelock rated higher than most who's to say they are wrong?
    There, I fixed that for you, as nobody Posting on this Board has any idea where the Broncos have Lock relative to other players like those that WYBRONCO lists. And we also have no idea how players rated ahead of Pick 10 might fall to us as Chubbs did last year.

    The point is that we went down this road a couple of years ago with the Paxton Lynch debacle. If the Broncos have Lock at 10 while the experts unanimously have Lock anywhere between 20 and 32, then picking Lock is going to be a HUGE mistake. Especially when you consider that Foles, who lead Philly to a Superbowl victory a year ago while winning the MVP award, appears likely to become a Free Agent.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m_campaign=nfl

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    • #47
      Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
      There, I fixed that for you, as nobody Posting on this Board has any idea where the Broncos have Lock relative to other players like those that WYBRONCO lists. And we also have no idea how players rated ahead of Pick 10 might fall to us as Chubbs did last year.

      The point is that we went down this road a couple of years ago with the Paxton Lynch debacle. If the Broncos have Lock at 10 while the experts unanimously have Lock anywhere between 20 and 32, then picking Lock is going to be a HUGE mistake. Especially when you consider that Foles, who lead Philly to a Superbowl victory a year ago while winning the MVP award, appears likely to become a Free Agent.

      https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m_campaign=nfl
      No, we didn't.... Lynch was considered 4th or 5th best option that year. And what experts??? All your Intel is from mock draft specialists...

      Depending on who YOU listen to... Lock is considered by many the 1st or 2nd best QB in this class. Denver has never drafted the 1st or 2nd best option in any draft outside of Cutler

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      • #48
        Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
        There, I fixed that for you, as nobody Posting on this Board has any idea where the Broncos have Lock relative to other players like those that WYBRONCO lists. And we also have no idea how players rated ahead of Pick 10 might fall to us as Chubbs did last year.

        The point is that we went down this road a couple of years ago with the Paxton Lynch debacle. If the Broncos have Lock at 10 while the experts unanimously have Lock anywhere between 20 and 32, then picking Lock is going to be a HUGE mistake. Especially when you consider that Foles, who lead Philly to a Superbowl victory a year ago while winning the MVP award, appears likely to become a Free Agent.

        https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m_campaign=nfl
        Foles is garbage. The Eagles risked Wentz’s long term health because they thought the same thing.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
          There, I fixed that for you, as nobody Posting on this Board has any idea where the Broncos have Lock relative to other players like those that WYBRONCO lists. And we also have no idea how players rated ahead of Pick 10 might fall to us as Chubbs did last year.

          The point is that we went down this road a couple of years ago with the Paxton Lynch debacle. If the Broncos have Lock at 10 while the experts unanimously have Lock anywhere between 20 and 32, then picking Lock is going to be a HUGE mistake. Especially when you consider that Foles, who lead Philly to a Superbowl victory a year ago while winning the MVP award, appears likely to become a Free Agent.

          https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m_campaign=nfl
          Here's this article all the way back in early December. The point of this is stock rises and falls on all these kids and nothing should be cemented until after combine and pro days are done......


          https://www-cbssports-com.cdn.amppro...ck-prospect%2F

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          • #50
            I just don’t see the infatuation with Lock. Just way too much inconsistency for me to be able to pass over a more talented player.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
              I just don’t see the infatuation with Lock. Just way too much inconsistency for me to be able to pass over a more talented player.
              That's the problem in every draft, the QBs in most drafts aren't your best or most talented players. It's a position that is so important and so hard to get right that GMs will always take chances on players in Hope's of finaly finding the franchise face.

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              • #52
                What is our path to Drew Lock?

                Raiders at 4 is probably the earliest he'd go. A Jets trade at 3 would be unlikely, considering the poor relationship of Gase-Broncos. So, that would leave pick #2. I think Lynch would be willing, but it would take a kings ransom to get there... even for his buddy Elway.

                If he makes it past the Raiders at 4, then I don't think there is any way he gets past the Giants at 6. That would lead trading with the Buccs, which really depends on how Arians feels about their QB situation & Winston.

                If Elway wants his guy, then he's going to have to spend big. Considering how many holes this organization has, it's a Boom or Bust move. If Lock turns out to be a Franchise QB, then we can work through the cost. If he busts, then it could set the organization back another 5 years.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                  No, we didn't.... Lynch was considered 4th or 5th best option that year. And what experts??? All your Intel is from mock draft specialists...

                  Depending on who YOU listen to... Lock is considered by many the 1st or 2nd best QB in this class. Denver has never drafted the 1st or 2nd best option in any draft outside of Cutler
                  Here is the NFL Mock Draft Database. I went through quite a few of these last week, and I didn't see a single Mock Draft that had Lock as the "1st QB in this class". Maybe you've seen some Mocks that do.

                  And you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the people who make their living putting out these Mock Drafts aren't "experts", and then use those same people to support an argument for Lock being ahead of Haskins.

                  https://www.mockout.com/2019-nfl-mock-draft-database/

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                  • #54
                    I think you are putting to much stock into what these draft sites are producing with their mock drafts, they are really irrelevant right now. I could easily see Lock going before Haskins, as I could easily see 2 quarterbacks falling out of the top 10, like I could easily see us once again ignoring the position in the first round and going with a better overall prospect. The fact is, no one knows what the Broncos are thinking, how this thing is going to play out, or who they are targeting. It's easy for the media to say there is an interest in Lock, obviously, he is a top prospect, and the Broncos need help at the position. But I don't believe anything I read about "rumours" from "sources", especially from these fan sites like Predominately Orange or 247.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
                      Here is the NFL Mock Draft Database. I went through quite a few of these last week, and I didn't see a single Mock Draft that had Lock as the "1st QB in this class". Maybe you've seen some Mocks that do.

                      And you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the people who make their living putting out these Mock Drafts aren't "experts", and then use those same people to support an argument for Lock being ahead of Haskins.

                      https://www.mockout.com/2019-nfl-mock-draft-database/
                      I used an article that is 2 months old to prove a point. I dont use mock drafts and base players value off that, that's your thing. You can give a 100 mock drafts and to me that doesn't mean jack. Like I said earlier, when combine and pro days are done then we'll know who is considered the best at their respected positions.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                        I used an article that is 2 months old to prove a point. I dont use mock drafts and base players value off that, that's your thing. You can give a 100 mock drafts and to me that doesn't mean jack. Like I said earlier, when combine and pro days are done then we'll know who is considered the best at their respected positions.
                        I agree that will sort out how the board falls, especially the early rounds. However, that doesn't mean the best players will be taken earlier in every instance. The pro days and combine are great tools to help the evaluation, but teams regularly miss on guys by over valuing and falling in love with the stand outs from these events. In my opinion, the best indicator of success is the play on the football field, and with Elways most recent draft class, he seemed to move away from the "potential" picks, to the "football talent" picks, and I think that was a reason why we seen the first quality draft from Elway in a long time.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
                          Here is the NFL Mock Draft Database. I went through quite a few of these last week, and I didn't see a single Mock Draft that had Lock as the "1st QB in this class". Maybe you've seen some Mocks that do.

                          And you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the people who make their living putting out these Mock Drafts aren't "experts", and then use those same people to support an argument for Lock being ahead of Haskins.

                          https://www.mockout.com/2019-nfl-mock-draft-database/
                          So the browns were wrong for drafting Baker with the first pick? Because this time last year he was 3rd or 4th rated qb by those draft experts and Rosen was usually the number 1 rated qb at this time last year.




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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                            I used an article that is 2 months old to prove a point. I dont use mock drafts and base players value off that, that's your thing. You can give a 100 mock drafts and to me that doesn't mean jack. Like I said earlier, when combine and pro days are done then we'll know who is considered the best at their respected positions.
                            What players do in the Combine, and in the Pro-day where the players are in a no stress home-field situation, are just a small part of the overall analysis. What players did in competition, in actual football games, is much more relevant.

                            As to you not using "mock drafts and base player value", I would have to assume that you were able to see the players you like in the games they played. Like Lock. I'm assuming that you were able to see all of last season's Missouri games, and were able to make a judgement that he is superior to Haskins because you also saw all of last season's Ohio State games. Right?

                            Of course I'm joking as we both know that nobody on these Boards have seen all those games while at least some of the people who make a living scouting prospective NFL players, and who create their Mock Draft sites, were able to see all of those games. THAT is the value of Mock Drafts and Players Ratings for "fans", like us. I've seen some fans who claim they never look at Mock Drafts, or that they believe Mock Drafts and Player Ratings have no value to them. I take their opinions with more than a "grain of salt".

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by #87Birdman View Post
                              So the browns were wrong for drafting Baker with the first pick? Because this time last year he was 3rd or 4th rated qb by those draft experts and Rosen was usually the number 1 rated qb at this time last year.
                              I've stated several times that it's "early", and that we haven't had the Combine, we don't know which QBs are going to skip the Combine or how they are going to perform, and what Players are going to do in their Pro-days. My point is that as of right now, the only Mock Drafts that have Lock ahead of Haskins are the ones that involve the Denver Broncos trading to move up to get Lock. With the point being that Elway would have to be pretty stupid to let it get out to every other NFL franchise that Lock is the only guy he wants and that he would be willing to mortgage the future to pay the price to move up to #2 as many have suggested and are counting on.

                              What confuses me is that when Haskins is the consensus #1 QB, RIGHT NOW, where is the logic in fans suggesting that we move up to #2 for the #2 QB.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
                                I've stated several times that it's "early", and that we haven't had the Combine, we don't know which QBs are going to skip the Combine or how they are going to perform, and what Players are going to do in their Pro-days. My point is that as of right now, the only Mock Drafts that have Lock ahead of Haskins are the ones that involve the Denver Broncos trading to move up to get Lock. With the point being that Elway would have to be pretty stupid to let it get out to every other NFL franchise that Lock is the only guy he wants and that he would be willing to mortgage the future to pay the price to move up to #2 as many have suggested and are counting on.

                                What confuses me is that when Haskins is the consensus #1 QB, RIGHT NOW, where is the logic in fans suggesting that we move up to #2 for the #2 QB.
                                Perhaps some team will move up to #1 to get Haskins. The Giants are in position to do so. After that, if Lock is truly Elway's guy, he might have a willing trade partner in his buddy John Lynch.

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