Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Chris Harris Trade or Pay

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • FR Tim
    replied
    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    That's not the way it works here in Chicago.

    IMO, if for any reason teachers go on strike, it should be for lack of parental involvement.
    Plus, I have a low opinion of the Teacher's Union, but that's another topic.

    In this U.S.A, people are free to change careers if desired; my school loans are proof.
    Harris understood the agreed upon contract terms he signed.
    No need to make him a victim of the Broncos.

    Yes, Denver's cap space is a concern which is why I referenced it.
    Again, I hope Denver doesn't need Harris' newly allocated cap money this year.
    I do not see Harris as a victim. He is a professional that has earned a pay raise by his performance. My response was directed towards comments critical of him “rubbing you the wrong way”.

    Just like other professions, ego about how you compare to your peers or how you use any leverage you might have are realistic responses.

    I don’t begrudge Harris feeling slighted or getting a raise more in line with his accomplishments and impact.

    As I stated, I am less concerned with the Broncos giving their All Pro an extra $4m then I am with them giving Keenum $7m to play for another team . A very expensive mistake that cost them an impact player this year.

    Bottom line, I’m happy to see Harris on the field for the season.

    Leave a comment:


  • mozzerpete
    replied
    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    We can differ on opinion on whether Harris should get paid and how the Broncos choose to pay him.

    Personally I'm more disappointed that the Broncos are wasting $7M on Keenum this season. Or wasting another $12m on DT, Marshall, Watson, Stewart and Lynch. Make better decisions and the cap would not be so tight, would it? Sure would be nice if the Broncos had even half of the $21m being squandered this season.

    As a teacher, did you support the strikes in local school districts? Weren't those agreed upon salaries? Yet when one district gets a raise a nearby district usually follows citing the raises given to a bordering district as a main reason. If a JeffCo teacher knows and accepts a wage why are they complaining if their peers are making more. Not exactly the same but similar enough to the point I made.earlier.

    Also wouldn't going on strike and leaving "the children" with no school be a solid case of strong arming tactics? Funny I'm not seeing any teacher strikes, protests or slogans on the back of cars these days. On vacation?
    That's not the way it works here in Chicago.

    IMO, if for any reason teachers go on strike, it should be for lack of parental involvement.
    Plus, I have a low opinion of the Teacher's Union, but that's another topic.

    In this U.S.A, people are free to change careers if desired; my school loans are proof.
    Harris understood the agreed upon contract terms he signed.
    No need to make him a victim of the Broncos.

    Yes, Denver's cap space is a concern which is why I referenced it.
    Again, I hope Denver doesn't need Harris' newly allocated cap money this year.

    Leave a comment:


  • FR Tim
    replied
    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    As a teacher and former correctional officer, I cannot appreciate your analogy.

    Harris understood his contract's terms.
    His Diva mentality and timing rubbed me the wrong way. :2cents:

    I simply witnessed Chris Harris strong arm Elway into squeezing the team's cap space even tighter, forcing the Broncos to save face for future free agents to take notice.

    Maybe players should sign for fewer years?

    I hope Denver doesn't need Harris' newly allocated cap money this year.
    We can differ on opinion on whether Harris should get paid and how the Broncos choose to pay him.

    Personally I'm more disappointed that the Broncos are wasting $7M on Keenum this season. Or wasting another $12m on DT, Marshall, Watson, Stewart and Lynch. Make better decisions and the cap would not be so tight, would it? Sure would be nice if the Broncos had even half of the $21m being squandered this season.

    As a teacher, did you support the strikes in local school districts? Weren't those agreed upon salaries? Yet when one district gets a raise a nearby district usually follows citing the raises given to a bordering district as a main reason. If a JeffCo teacher knows and accepts a wage why are they complaining if their peers are making more. Not exactly the same but similar enough to the point I made.earlier.

    Also wouldn't going on strike and leaving "the children" with no school be a solid case of strong arming tactics? Funny I'm not seeing any teacher strikes, protests or slogans on the back of cars these days. On vacation?
    Last edited by FR Tim; 05-29-2019, 09:35 PM.

    Leave a comment:


  • mozzerpete
    replied
    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    It is always about ego and money. From both the team or player standpoint.

    Curious why he shouldn't have an issue with the team signing Jackson for more? The man has been a multi time All Pro and earned the accolades he gets. Yet his own team makes a public issue of even negotiating with him and then signs a lesser player for significantly more. I understand why he would let ego get the best of him.

    I am guessing everyone posting here would have similar issues if this happened to them at their job. I don't care if it is a sales, mechanic, teacher, construction or fast food job. Similar situations would create just as much of a push back from any of you.

    Look at similar numbers. You work your butt off for several years, set industry levels of professionalism and earn a raise to $80K a year. While seeing your peers making $150K a year. You see a less accomplished co-worker go to another company and get $100K a year. And then your organization hires a new less accomplished employee for over $110K a year.. And the issue does not change if you go to hourly wages of $8 an hour/$10 an hour/ $11 an hour or $15 an hour. And being told "why complain, you agreed to it".

    Which of you would not have an issue with this? Or be a bit disgruntled and want a raise? So why criticize Harris.

    The man is damn good at his job. I'm glad he got a deserved raise. And I am looking forward to this secondary this season.
    As a teacher and former correctional officer, I cannot appreciate your analogy.

    Harris understood his contract's terms.
    His Diva mentality and timing rubbed me the wrong way. :2cents:

    I simply witnessed Chris Harris strong arm Elway into squeezing the team's cap space even tighter, forcing the Broncos to save face for future free agents to take notice.

    Maybe players should sign for fewer years?

    I hope Denver doesn't need Harris' newly allocated cap money this year.

    Leave a comment:


  • FR Tim
    replied
    Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
    Great analogy. I have a friend who worked on an Amazon crew of 8 to 12 people, for a couple of years. As people on the crew were replaced because of a job change, or whatever, the people that were hired were making more than the crew that had the 2 years of experience. AND, they were told to "Train" that new employee. The entire Crew got together, went to the boss, and asked for a raise.

    They were all fired, on the spot. I get it that life isn't fair. But it's nice to see management at least pretending to be fair. Frankly, I hope Harris gets the raise that he deserves, next year. And I'm sure it will be for another team.
    Sorry to hear about your friends unlawful firing. Suggest he/ she adds their name to the countless lawsuits being filed against Amazon for its discriminatory and unlawful employee treatment.

    As for Harris. Hope he and Jackson both play with chips on their shoulders. Secondary should be incredible with those two, Callahan, Parks and Simmons. Even a bit of depth to handle the inevitable hopefully “minor” injuries.

    Add a relentless pass rush and Broncos should be able to rely heavily on a potential top 3 defense!

    Leave a comment:


  • TheAsianPA
    replied
    Originally posted by EddieMac View Post
    After reading the tweets and articles...I decided that now I am annoyed with one of my favourite broncos... when did he become all about the money? And highest paid? Not liking him right now, hopefully this ends it for the year and he plays for that next big contract this season...
    I don't think this would have been as much of an issue if they hadn't signed Kareem Jackson to a contract that paid more than him. And next season Kareem Jackson's cap hit goes to a staggering 14 million.

    If you're a top level performer at your work, and someone less talented comes in and gets a larger contract, it's hard not to feel slighted. I see this in the workplace every day. It's common in every facet of work in this country. Ultimately your salary determines your worth to the company, and by extension, a part of your ego. It's going to be hurt if you see others valued over yourself, especially if you are considered an essential personnel to the team that has put in the time and work.

    Leave a comment:


  • TheAsianPA
    replied
    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Seems like all he accomplished was receiving a 3 million dollar bus ticket out of town after the season.
    He just earned for many a lifetime of savings. That's not bad for sitting out OTAs. The options were to sit out the season and likely not get a huge contract at 31-32 years old, or get an additional 3.2 million and play well to allow and let the market decide what he's worth.

    Leave a comment:


  • gtown53
    replied
    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    It is always about ego and money. From both the team or player standpoint.

    Curious why he shouldn't have an issue with the team signing Jackson for more? The man has been a multi time All Pro and earned the accolades he gets. Yet his own team makes a public issue of even negotiating with him and then signs a lesser player for significantly more. I understand why he would let ego get the best of him.

    I am guessing everyone posting here would have similar issues if this happened to them at their job. I don't care if it is a sales, mechanic, teacher, construction or fast food job. Similar situations would create just as much of a push back from any of you.

    Look at similar numbers. You work your butt off for several years, set industry levels of professionalism and earn a raise to $80K a year. While seeing your peers making $150K a year. You see a less accomplished co-worker go to another company and get $100K a year. And then your organization hires a new less accomplished employee for over $110K a year.. And the issue does not change if you go to hourly wages of $8 an hour/$10 an hour/ $11 an hour or $15 an hour. And being told "why complain, you agreed to it".

    Which of you would not have an issue with this? Or be a bit disgruntled and want a raise? So why criticize Harris.

    The man is damn good at his job. I'm glad he got a deserved raise. And I am looking forward to this secondary this season.
    Great analogy. I have a friend who worked on an Amazon crew of 8 to 12 people, for a couple of years. As people on the crew were replaced because of a job change, or whatever, the people that were hired were making more than the crew that had the 2 years of experience. AND, they were told to "Train" that new employee. The entire Crew got together, went to the boss, and asked for a raise.

    They were all fired, on the spot. I get it that life isn't fair. But it's nice to see management at least pretending to be fair. Frankly, I hope Harris gets the raise that he deserves, next year. And I'm sure it will be for another team.

    Leave a comment:


  • beastlyskronk
    replied
    Glad to see some type of deal is done, hopefully they can work out a new contract in the offseason so he can retire here. He’s only allowed 16 TDs in his career, tied for the lowest amount in that timeframe with Richard Sherman. Multiple seasons of not allowing a TD at all. He’s arguably the best CB in the NFL and definitely deserves to be paid like it.

    I hope they at least stay in contact and work on the negotiations throughout the season though. If they can’t agree to a deal before the deadline you have to look into trading him. Jalen Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Fuller if he regresses away from Fangio, or some other disgruntled top CB. A compensatory pick will not be fair value for him.
    Last edited by beastlyskronk; 05-29-2019, 12:55 PM.

    Leave a comment:


  • gerontion
    replied
    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    It is always about ego and money. From both the team or player standpoint.

    Curious why he shouldn't have an issue with the team signing Jackson for more? The man has been a multi time All Pro and earned the accolades he gets. Yet his own team makes a public issue of even negotiating with him and then signs a lesser player for significantly more. I understand why he would let ego get the best of him.

    I am guessing everyone posting here would have similar issues if this happened to them at their job. I don't care if it is a sales, mechanic, teacher, construction or fast food job. Similar situations would create just as much of a push back from any of you.

    Look at similar numbers. You work your butt off for several years, set industry levels of professionalism and earn a raise to $80K a year. While seeing your peers making $150K a year. You see a less accomplished co-worker go to another company and get $100K a year. And then your organization hires a new less accomplished employee for over $110K a year.. And the issue does not change if you go to hourly wages of $8 an hour/$10 an hour/ $11 an hour or $15 an hour. And being told "why complain, you agreed to it".

    Which of you would not have an issue with this? Or be a bit disgruntled and want a raise? So why criticize Harris.

    The man is damn good at his job. I'm glad he got a deserved raise. And I am looking forward to this secondary this season.
    Harris played a part in this, too. He's the one who demanded either a trade or to be the highest paid CB in the league. Elway appropriately stated he would deal with him after the draft. I am glad the situation is resolved, although I couldn't care less whether he got a raise or not. He says he'll hit free agency next year and be the #1 paid CB. Well, we'll see about that.

    Leave a comment:


  • FR Tim
    replied
    Originally posted by gerontion View Post
    It seems to me a combo of ego and money. He was never really satisfied with his bargain contract, especially after Jackson signed with us. He just had to be the top paid CB on the team.
    It is always about ego and money. From both the team or player standpoint.

    Curious why he shouldn't have an issue with the team signing Jackson for more? The man has been a multi time All Pro and earned the accolades he gets. Yet his own team makes a public issue of even negotiating with him and then signs a lesser player for significantly more. I understand why he would let ego get the best of him.

    I am guessing everyone posting here would have similar issues if this happened to them at their job. I don't care if it is a sales, mechanic, teacher, construction or fast food job. Similar situations would create just as much of a push back from any of you.

    Look at similar numbers. You work your butt off for several years, set industry levels of professionalism and earn a raise to $80K a year. While seeing your peers making $150K a year. You see a less accomplished co-worker go to another company and get $100K a year. And then your organization hires a new less accomplished employee for over $110K a year.. And the issue does not change if you go to hourly wages of $8 an hour/$10 an hour/ $11 an hour or $15 an hour. And being told "why complain, you agreed to it".

    Which of you would not have an issue with this? Or be a bit disgruntled and want a raise? So why criticize Harris.

    The man is damn good at his job. I'm glad he got a deserved raise. And I am looking forward to this secondary this season.

    Leave a comment:


  • ThreeGees
    replied
    Originally posted by Alaskajoe View Post
    As a red zone dime specialist?
    You gave him 3+ million $ more so that he can run off to another team next year. What a fool' bet. CHJ got paid, but still likely feels betrayed with the FA signings of Callahan and Jackson.

    Leave a comment:


  • gerontion
    replied
    Originally posted by EddieMac View Post
    After reading the tweets and articles...I decided that now I am annoyed with one of my favourite broncos... when did he become all about the money? And highest paid? Not liking him right now, hopefully this ends it for the year and he plays for that next big contract this season...
    It seems to me a combo of ego and money. He was never really satisfied with his bargain contract, especially after Jackson signed with us. He just had to be the top paid CB on the team.

    Leave a comment:


  • FR Tim
    replied
    Originally posted by EddieMac View Post
    After reading the tweets and articles...I decided that now I am annoyed with one of my favourite broncos... when did he become all about the money? And highest paid? Not liking him right now, hopefully this ends it for the year and he plays for that next big contract this season...
    Perhaps he became "all about the money" when he felt disrespected over the past few months by the Broncos. And the only thing he and his agent have been focused on because of it.

    Broncos season ended in January. Since that time he has been told he is old, injured, not the best on his own team, not worth a raise and basically told not to let the door hit him on the way out by fans and management. Maybe he is a bit chafed by the disrespect and made comments directly related to salary or business side of things instead of on field comments. .

    IMO he will have his usual great season to prove he is not declining and worthy of a top top CB salary. Still will hope he and the Broncos can find a compromise. I think $15M multi year is too steep but if they can keep him on the roster for another 2-3 years at the same $12M per,,, Who knows?

    Leave a comment:


  • broncolee
    replied
    Is the CBA up after this season or next?

    If it’s next season, the Broncos should have insisted on adding a year or just let him play on the original deal.

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X