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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    The Fields comment is insignificant because Dobbins had a great season last year with the immobile Haskins at QB. Dobbins will run low 4.4s at combine, wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the 4.3s. Dobbins had a way more successful college career, I will give you the recieving starts, but Dobbins was perfectly capable, they just didn’t use him that way. Barkley may be 234lbs now, but if I remember correctly he was more like 220-225 when he came out.

    Dobbins won’t go anywhere near #2 in the draft, but he will be an RB1 for whoever drafts him from day 1. Dude is dynamic, hard working, determined, with a good head on his shoulders and a chip on his shoulder because he got completely snubbed not getting invited to NY for the Heisman. Plus he should have won the Doak Walker award hands down over Jonathan Taylor. Dobbins is better than Taylor and proved it twice this year. That alone will make him determined to be the best RB in the NFL. Oh, and did I mention he squats 700 lbs?

    He’s comparible to Barkley in my opinion, and will be a better NFL RB than Taylor!
    Barkley at the combine came In at 234.

    I also would call it an okay year. You can see the drop in production and ypc when haskins was the qb vs when fields or barrett's was the qb.

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  • Alaskajoe
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    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    The Fields comment is insignificant because Dobbins had a great season last year with the immobile Haskins at QB. Dobbins will run low 4.4s at combine, wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the 4.3s. Dobbins had a way more successful college career, I will give you the recieving starts, but Dobbins was perfectly capable, they just didn’t use him that way. Barkley may be 234lbs now, but if I remember correctly he was more like 220-225 when he came out.

    Dobbins won’t go anywhere near #2 in the draft, but he will be an RB1 for whoever drafts him from day 1. Dude is dynamic, hard working, determined, with a good head on his shoulders and a chip on his shoulder because he got completely snubbed not getting invited to NY for the Heisman. Plus he should have won the Doak Walker award hands down over Jonathan Taylor. Dobbins is better than Taylor and proved it twice this year. That alone will make him determined to be the best RB in the NFL. Oh, and did I mention he squats 700 lbs?

    He’s comparible to Barkley in my opinion, and will be a better NFL RB than Taylor!
    His talent is there but the issue was a) comparing him to Barkley b) suggesting we use the high value draft capital of a 2nd rounder on a RB for our team as its currently constructed.

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  • KWHIT97
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    Originally posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    Lindsey can and should be a bell cow running back in this league

    and i don't see teh Dobbins to Barkley comparison. Dobbins is slower Smaller and not the prospect that barkley was. he may be able to do some stuff. but he also had a QB like Justin Fields who is a threat to run also. which really helped him out this. he didn't look the same this year.

    Barkley is 234 and dobbins is 217 at around the same height. Barkley cause more passes in his last year of College then Dobbins did in his last 2 years. Barkley speed at 4.40 is probably good be faster then Dobbins runs also i bet. Barkley also got 12 less yards recieving in his Junior year then Dobbins did in his whole Career. you are gonna have to really sell me on the comparing Dobbins to Barkley cause i don't see it at all. Barkley is dynamic and looked Dynamic his whole college Career. Dobbins is not as good as Barkley as a prospect but you can say that about any RB i have seen recenty. Barkley was a Special prospect and a Special player i don't see that at all in dobbins. he looks like a guy who is good but may just be an average RB at this level.

    Barkley was the best PRospect at RB that i can remember sense Adrian Petterson. Dobbins is no where near his level.
    The Fields comment is insignificant because Dobbins had a great season last year with the immobile Haskins at QB. Dobbins will run low 4.4s at combine, wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the 4.3s. Dobbins had a way more successful college career, I will give you the recieving starts, but Dobbins was perfectly capable, they just didn’t use him that way. Barkley may be 234lbs now, but if I remember correctly he was more like 220-225 when he came out.

    Dobbins won’t go anywhere near #2 in the draft, but he will be an RB1 for whoever drafts him from day 1. Dude is dynamic, hard working, determined, with a good head on his shoulders and a chip on his shoulder because he got completely snubbed not getting invited to NY for the Heisman. Plus he should have won the Doak Walker award hands down over Jonathan Taylor. Dobbins is better than Taylor and proved it twice this year. That alone will make him determined to be the best RB in the NFL. Oh, and did I mention he squats 700 lbs?

    He’s comparible to Barkley in my opinion, and will be a better NFL RB than Taylor!

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  • BroncoooJohnson
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    “Anyone thinking otherwise is foolish.”

    I think Simmons’ contract will be in line with the top safeties, but to say it’s foolish is being optimistic on Simmons’ end. His guarantees should be looking nice though.

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  • Bronco_In_Ohio
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    K.J. Hill is a must have for me. I really think he’s going to be a great slot or even number 2. Not a true burner but runs fantastic routes and has great hands. Dude is always open. I think he would be a great pick in the 3-4 rounds.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    May have missed on the Jackson pick, didn’t watch his bowl game. Dobbins is an absolute steal on the 2nd and has a Saquon Barkley skill set. I’m sorry but if I can get a true bellcow RB to help Lock our I’m all in. I love Lindsay, but I feel a change of pace 10-12 touch role is more his style. Freeman can be replaced!
    Lindsey can and should be a bell cow running back in this league

    and i don't see teh Dobbins to Barkley comparison. Dobbins is slower Smaller and not the prospect that barkley was. he may be able to do some stuff. but he also had a QB like Justin Fields who is a threat to run also. which really helped him out this. he didn't look the same this year.

    Barkley is 234 and dobbins is 217 at around the same height. Barkley cause more passes in his last year of College then Dobbins did in his last 2 years. Barkley speed at 4.40 is probably good be faster then Dobbins runs also i bet. Barkley also got 12 less yards recieving in his Junior year then Dobbins did in his whole Career. you are gonna have to really sell me on the comparing Dobbins to Barkley cause i don't see it at all. Barkley is dynamic and looked Dynamic his whole college Career. Dobbins is not as good as Barkley as a prospect but you can say that about any RB i have seen recenty. Barkley was a Special prospect and a Special player i don't see that at all in dobbins. he looks like a guy who is good but may just be an average RB at this level.

    Barkley was the best PRospect at RB that i can remember sense Adrian Petterson. Dobbins is no where near his level.

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  • EddieMac
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    You lost me at the RB in round 2 ... I do like the FA though..

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  • bronco30
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    I agree our 1st pick ill probably be WR like diggs a burner we really need or a CB like Henderson

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  • Alaskajoe
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    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    May have missed on the Jackson pick, didn’t watch his bowl game. Dobbins is an absolute steal on the 2nd and has a Saquon Barkley skill set. I’m sorry but if I can get a true bellcow RB to help Lock our I’m all in. I love Lindsay, but I feel a change of pace 10-12 touch role is more his style. Freeman can be replaced!
    I'm sorry but he may have a skill set but he isn't In the same league as Barkley. And you don't take a RB to be part of a committee in the 2nd when our RB situation doesn't call for that type of investment vs our oline, CB and we situation

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  • KWHIT97
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    May have missed on the Jackson pick, didn’t watch his bowl game. Dobbins is an absolute steal on the 2nd and has a Saquon Barkley skill set. I’m sorry but if I can get a true bellcow RB to help Lock our I’m all in. I love Lindsay, but I feel a change of pace 10-12 touch role is more his style. Freeman can be replaced!

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  • Alaskajoe
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    Ditto to all of the above

    Realalistic absolutely. In fact maybe a bit conservative in regards to fa. Love the in depth mindset but the draft in my mind is a mess.

    LOVE the shobert, Finney and waynes signings. Definitely agree our rfa are all kept. In hoping we do go after a tier 1 DLineman and I think we land one of them

    Jackson was a question mark before the bowl game. And he just didnt get worked by epenesa, he got SMOKED, I want nothing to do with the kid. I'd take Benton and prince over Jackson even if they grade out as 2nd rounders
    Their ceilings are insane and with manchuk coaching them, in 2 years they are plug and play.

    A 2nd rounder on rb.....brother I don't see in what world that's happening. Hell, if that trade back with Miami goes through I could see us using that 2nd and a 3rd jumping back into round 1 for interior oline or MLB k Murray?

    We don't have the room on the team for all of the rfas, free agent pick ups and current draft picks and udfas. So I can see us moving back into round 1 or 2. To pick up better talent.

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  • Jonny_Quest
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    I love your free agent signings. I would be ecstatic if we landed that. I think you're being pretty optimistic on some of the price tags. My guess is we'd have about 5 million left in cap space if we signed those players.

    Like your draft. My two issues with it:

    1. Like someone said above, I think we're looking for mid-round tackle prospects to develop. The FO is bullish on Bolles, and we have a lot invested in James. We need more youth in the secondary with that NFZ you listed above. We need corners to develop behind Jackson and Amakamura since they're getting old.

    2. I'm never a fan of drafting an RB in Round 1 or 2.

    My guess: Round 1 will either be a CB or WR. I agree that we'll be looking to trade back into the mid-20s since this is such a loaded draft in Rounds 2 and 3.
    Last edited by Jonny_Quest; 01-18-2020, 03:30 PM.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    I won’t lie, while I think a lot of this is realistic It’s also a lot of wishful thinking on my part. Jackson, even though he seemed overmatched in the bowl game is still a very intriguing option at LT. He will take some grooming, but Munchak can fix his flaws.
    Dobbins is special, and if he falls, I know John isn’t thinking RB right now but why the heck not? Great value and an upgrade over Freeman is not a bad thing at all.
    I'd go Becton over Jackson even though some mocks have him in the mid second round. Becton reminds me of a Jason Peter's type tackle. He is huge(360) and moves better then alot of tackles in college. He is a good tackle prospect who I would go late first to early second.

    I also don't like dobbins there. I feel that Raegor may be decent but I still perfer hamler to him

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  • KWHIT97
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    I won’t lie, while I think a lot of this is realistic It’s also a lot of wishful thinking on my part. Jackson, even though he seemed overmatched in the bowl game is still a very intriguing option at LT. He will take some grooming, but Munchak can fix his flaws.
    Dobbins is special, and if he falls, I know John isn’t thinking RB right now but why the heck not? Great value and an upgrade over Freeman is not a bad thing at all.

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  • JvDub95
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    I find it all very realistic.... except the draft. Fans want all new blood on the offensive line but I just don't think Vic and Elway are going that route. I think they only sign one line free agent and draft 1 utility/do it all type guy. RB won't be a 2nd round pick, I just feel that is a guarantee.

    I feel pretty strong that our top pick will be a WR or CB. I wouldn't even be surprised if it were a safety. Jackson and Simmons are a great combo but Jackson won't be around much longer. I'm suggesting or saying I want a safety but it could be a dark horse position.

    The money spent on James pretty much guarantees he'll be here starting next season and Bolles "played pretty well down the stretch" according to Elway.... And "is always available". Leary I think is a lock to be cut so there is our only open spot on the line (pretty sure McGovern is resigned).

    Fans don't/won't like it but it is more than likely going to be the outcome of the off-season. I think Elway tries to rebuild some lost defensive issues in FA and he continues to build the offense through the draft. It very well could be OT in an attempt to brace for losing Bolles in 2021 but I just don't see it.

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