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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by montee2ball View Post
    Fangio likes that CB/S combo like Kareem Jackson and Byron Jones fits that and the scheme Denver plays.
    A great point, and a I am sure a factor to consider when looking at potential free agents at the position. No doubt Fangio has a nice track record with these type of players, look at what he done with Simmons this year, he has completely changed the trajectory of his career in my opinion.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by Gbt31 View Post
    I just don't see that from him. I think Denzel Ward was a better prospect and I wouldn't put him as a generational corner.
    I think okudahs physical traits look good when he shows up to the combine at 6'1 200 runs a low 4.4 at worst. Then you put on the tape. He has the tools the size and ect. He looks like the prototypical cb in the nfl atm. Is he generational I would say no. But he is a good cb prospect with top 5 upside

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  • montee2ball
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    Fangio likes that CB/S combo like Kareem Jackson and Byron Jones fits that and the scheme Denver plays.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by Gbt31 View Post
    I just don't see that from him. I think Denzel Ward was a better prospect and I wouldn't put him as a generational corner.
    Okudah may not be a Champ Bailey but from a big ten fan here, he is a big time NFL caliber corner. The fact that he had 3 picks, 2 fumble forces and 9 pass defensed is big considering how little teams actually through his way

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  • brianmcfarlane
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    Byron Jones would be fine except for the likely cost; I tend to think he is a little overrated. James Bradberry's numbers are actually better; stats aren't everything but it is possible to look deeper into the numbers.
    Bradberry had 97 targets come his way and gave up 58.9% completions - his 4th season - he is just 26yrs old, a 70.1 QB rating against him - Byron Jones 87.7 rating - Bradberry had 3 INTs and gave up 1TD. Byron Jones gave up 3TDs on 64 targets - his 5th season, 27yrs old. Bradberry 12 passes defensed, Jones 6. Jones had just 46 tackles/assists, Bradberry 65.

    Logan Ryan also had a decent 2019 season and his numbers indicate that he is a more complete/all around CB... 4 INTs and 4 forced fumbles; 113! tackles, 4.5 sacks. 8 QB hits... he did give up 66% completion % on 103 targets, 5TDs and 88.7 rating. He is 29 though.

    I don't know for sure but, I think either Bradberry or Ryan would be less expensive than Jones.
    CHJ's market value, according to Spotrac is only 11.1M average per year... he might not get the kind of money he was looking for? Trae Waynes Market value is 8.4M, he might be worth looking into for that? I would also throw in Ronald Darby on a really cheap contract - less than 5M maybe? Byron Jones market value is 14.1M ...
    I tend to think that Spotrac overestimates value, a little but I don't have any data to support that, just memory.
    I think there are a pretty big handful of CBs in FA that could be as good or better prospects when considering their price tags.

    I also think the Broncos should draft a CB early but depends on how the board falls, probably not a 1st but no later than the 3rd and maybe 2 in the 3rd?
    :2cents:

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  • Gbt31
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    Originally posted by wmp View Post
    Dream scenario: Okuda slips to 10 or 11.
    Would we trade up ?
    I would, in a heart beat.
    A generational corner.
    I just don't see that from him. I think Denzel Ward was a better prospect and I wouldn't put him as a generational corner.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Talib, Ware, and Ward were great, yes, difference maker signings. However, that situation we had when they came here, it wasn't something that had been seen before, and it probably wont again. Manning was the ultimate recruitment tool, all came here on pretty good contracts, and all came here because we had Manning in place, we no longer do. Since then we have signed guys for way to much money, who were mediocre players, and the results have led us to where we are now, losers. I get what you are saying, but I think that situation is an outlier, not a common occurrence.
    I can’t agree that all those guys came here because of Manning. Nothing like that ever happened in Indy when Manning was there. Elway should be recognized for what he did. He did a great job, including landing Manning himself.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    How can you say it doesn't work? Elway bought his championship through FA.
    Talib, Ware, and Ward were great, yes, difference maker signings. However, that situation we had when they came here, it wasn't something that had been seen before, and it probably wont again. Manning was the ultimate recruitment tool, all came here on pretty good contracts, and all came here because we had Manning in place, we no longer do. Since then we have signed guys for way to much money, who were mediocre players, and the results have led us to where we are now, losers. I get what you are saying, but I think that situation is an outlier, not a common occurrence.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by wmp View Post
    Dream scenario: Okuda slips to 10 or 11.
    Would we trade up ?
    I would, in a heart beat.
    A generational corner.
    if anything was my dream senerio it would be issiah simmions dropping to around there letting us grab him, cause the Johnson/Simmons middles of the LB crew moves that from a weakness to a strength

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    I don’t think those FAs classified as band aids though. All of them were studs but injury concerns led them to FA.
    Ward was 30, Talib was 29 and Ware was 34 I believe?? All studs for sure but also short term solutions as well. Short term solutions are bandaids imo. Sanders was 26 so that was just us getting lucky to have Peyton to lure him over

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by wmp View Post
    Dream scenario: Okuda slips to 10 or 11.
    Would we trade up ?
    I would, in a heart beat.
    A generational corner.
    I would for sure, that jump might only cost us 2 3rds and we get a young stud CB

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    How can you say it doesn't work? Elway bought his championship through FA.
    I don’t think those FAs classified as band aids though. All of them were studs but injury concerns led them to FA.

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  • wmp
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    Dream scenario: Okuda slips to 10 or 11.
    Would we trade up ?
    I would, in a heart beat.
    A generational corner.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Yes, yes, yes, youth and development all the way. 2 defensive backs in the top 100 picks, 2 offensive lineman in the top 100 picks, and develop our own guys, no more band-aid free agent solutions, it doesn't work Mr. Elway.
    How can you say it doesn't work? Elway bought his championship through FA.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Yes, yes, yes, youth and development all the way. 2 defensive backs in the top 100 picks, 2 offensive lineman in the top 100 picks, and develop our own guys, no more band-aid free agent solutions, it doesn't work Mr. Elway.

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