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  • #31
    Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
    Trades for players of Diggs' skill set AFTER the draft are rare.
    Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.

    Originally posted by MHSalute View Post
    we may be talking a 2nd or a 3rd + something...most years we may be talking 1st. .
    Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.

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    • #32
      We need to develop young (cap friendly) players.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
        Thank you. I guess I wasn't as obvious as I thought.
        LOL, no...that wasn't obvious at all 😆 Imo, Teddy is just another Fitzpatrick/McCown type of journey man QB.

        Again, why would the front office want to spend FA money on any QB when we have so many other areas that need that attention. Lock will be just as good....more than likely better than anything Teddy would bring, plus his cheap rookie contract gives us the ability to build around him
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        • #34
          It would be interesting to see if we trade for Diggs then draft his brother.
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          • #35
            It will be interesting to see how Elway and Fangio tackle FA. We will most likely have around 80m in space. I really only expect Simmons and Wolfe to return. We have 3 more years of Lock on his rookie deal(assuming he is who we hitch our wagon to) After that we get stuck with a hefty chunk dedicated to him. Unless you have a HoF QB, that's your window for the most part. I could see us sacrificing some draft capital to take advantage of that window. Plus with the new CBA coming out it could actually end up a very good deal for the team. I could see some FA taking a one or two year deal this off-season, and banking on cashing in after the new CBA.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
              It would be interesting to see if we trade for Diggs then draft his brother.
              I think the younger Diggs is not a very good tackler, so doesn't really fit the Fangio mold.
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              • #37
                If it’s for a good price I wouldn’t mind it.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
                  Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



                  Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.
                  I guess I should have been more specific. You're talking about in season trades, which most of the examples you gave were. I'm talking about between the draft and the start of the season. If Diggs is being shopped, chances are they will want their return this year, not in the middle of the season or for next year's draft.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
                    I guess I should have been more specific. You're talking about in season trades, which most of the examples you gave were. I'm talking about between the draft and the start of the season. If Diggs is being shopped, chances are they will want their return this year, not in the middle of the season or for next year's draft.
                    It's the same premise though. The reason you said it wont likely happen is because teams don't want to have to wait to use that compensation they get in return for a player. The recent trend over receivers being traded early in the season defies that. I understand what you are saying and I am sure you are right, but it isn't rare for this situation to play out how I said.

                    I actually think in this situation, those above trades have a lot in common with the Diggs and the Vikings situation. Another reciever is in place, you have an under performing guy, and it will really come down to how Diggs is valued by the Vikings front office. I think if they over value him and push for a 1st or 2nd rounder, they will be holding onto him due to so much supply at wide reciever in the draft. I think then they may be forced to unload him post-draft for less, or wait until a desperate club comes along mid-season. I also think a draft day trade is likely too based on the situation.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
                      Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



                      Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.
                      Amari Cooper to Dallas definitely worked for Dallas so far
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
                        Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



                        Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.
                        Cooks was traded for a 1st rounder back to back years, I think Cooks is actually a fair comparison to Diggs too.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by MHSalute View Post
                          Cooks was traded for a 1st rounder back to back years, I think Cooks is actually a fair comparison to Diggs too.
                          Playing wise sure, but contract wise no. New England like Trent Brown acquired him during the last year of his rookie deal, and flipped him away after a season to the Rams who acquired him while he was on his 5th year option still. They did extend him, but I wonder how they feel about that contract and first round compensation they gave up now ? All that for a mediocre 42 catches during 14 games last year. The examples for making these moves get worse and worse when you dive deeper into them.

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                          • #43
                            It's been said already, but we don't need to give up draft capital and cap space for something we can easily get in the draft. Reagor, Ruggs, Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, Possibly even Jeudy or Lamb if we get lucky. But someone of that caliber will be available either in the 1st or 2nd round, and likely even the 3rd that we don't have to give up precious picks and cap space for. Things that aren't plentiful in the draft are top shelf defensive backs, which with all the buzz on going after Byron Jones and Slay have me fairly convinced Elway is targeting DB's in FA and likely WR in the draft.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
                              It's been said already, but we don't need to give up draft capital and cap space for something we can easily get in the draft. Reagor, Ruggs, Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, Possibly even Jeudy or Lamb if we get lucky. But someone of that caliber will be available either in the 1st or 2nd round, and likely even the 3rd that we don't have to give up precious picks and cap space for. Things that aren't plentiful in the draft are top shelf defensive backs, which with all the buzz on going after Byron Jones and Slay have me fairly convinced Elway is targeting DB's in FA and likely WR in the draft.
                              As against a first round wide reciever as I am, I still think one of those guys can be an immediate impact player, be long-term better than the good, but not great Diggs, and allow us to allocate that money to another position of need. We would be better off in the short-term, long-term, and all in between doing exactly what you are saying, makes no sense to make a move for an overpaid veteran at this point of time.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
                                Elway often has made a habit out of spending 2nd and 3rd round picks on terrible players, why not make another horrible move using the same draft capital ? To inherit his contract, as well as give up that pick in a very deep reciever draft, it would be idiotic, and wouldn't surprise me one bit. I also don't like pairing Pre-Madonna receivers who demand the ball with young developing quarterbacks. Young quarterbacks need to learn to play within the offense, not be pressured by a veteran demanding the ball, bad mix.
                                Sutton, Freeman, Yiadom, Risner, Lock, and Dre’mont Jones are the second/third rounders the last two years. I can think of a few reasons we wouldn’t have wanted to give up those picks.
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