Broncos inquiring about Stefon Diggs

[johnlimburg]

Cooks was traded for a 1st rounder back to back years, I think Cooks is actually a fair comparison to Diggs too.

Playing wise sure, but contract wise no. New England like Trent Brown acquired him during the last year of his rookie deal, and flipped him away after a season to the Rams who acquired him while he was on his 5th year option still. They did extend him, but I wonder how they feel about that contract and first round compensation they gave up now ? All that for a mediocre 42 catches during 14 games last year. The examples for making these moves get worse and worse when you dive deeper into them.

[MHSalute]

Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.

Cooks was traded for a 1st rounder back to back years, I think Cooks is actually a fair comparison to Diggs too.

[Kyousukeneko]

Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.

Amari Cooper to Dallas definitely worked for Dallas so far

[johnlimburg]

I guess I should have been more specific. You're talking about in season trades, which most of the examples you gave were. I'm talking about between the draft and the start of the season. If Diggs is being shopped, chances are they will want their return this year, not in the middle of the season or for next year's draft.

It's the same premise though. The reason you said it wont likely happen is because teams don't want to have to wait to use that compensation they get in return for a player. The recent trend over receivers being traded early in the season defies that. I understand what you are saying and I am sure you are right, but it isn't rare for this situation to play out how I said.

I actually think in this situation, those above trades have a lot in common with the Diggs and the Vikings situation. Another reciever is in place, you have an under performing guy, and it will really come down to how Diggs is valued by the Vikings front office. I think if they over value him and push for a 1st or 2nd rounder, they will be holding onto him due to so much supply at wide reciever in the draft. I think then they may be forced to unload him post-draft for less, or wait until a desperate club comes along mid-season. I also think a draft day trade is likely too based on the situation.

[Letswinplz77]

Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.



Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.

I guess I should have been more specific. You're talking about in season trades, which most of the examples you gave were. I'm talking about between the draft and the start of the season. If Diggs is being shopped, chances are they will want their return this year, not in the middle of the season or for next year's draft.

[Broncosojia]

If it’s for a good price I wouldn’t mind it.

[the0rangecrush]

It would be interesting to see if we trade for Diggs then draft his brother.

I think the younger Diggs is not a very good tackler, so doesn't really fit the Fangio mold.

[the0rangecrush]

It will be interesting to see how Elway and Fangio tackle FA. We will most likely have around 80m in space. I really only expect Simmons and Wolfe to return. We have 3 more years of Lock on his rookie deal(assuming he is who we hitch our wagon to) After that we get stuck with a hefty chunk dedicated to him. Unless you have a HoF QB, that's your window for the most part. I could see us sacrificing some draft capital to take advantage of that window. Plus with the new CBA coming out it could actually end up a very good deal for the team. I could see some FA taking a one or two year deal this off-season, and banking on cashing in after the new CBA.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

It would be interesting to see if we trade for Diggs then draft his brother.

[JvDub95]

Thank you. I guess I wasn't as obvious as I thought.

LOL, no...that wasn't obvious at all 😆 Imo, Teddy is just another Fitzpatrick/McCown type of journey man QB.

Again, why would the front office want to spend FA money on any QB when we have so many other areas that need that attention. Lock will be just as good....more than likely better than anything Teddy would bring, plus his cheap rookie contract gives us the ability to build around him

[Capt. Jack]

We need to develop young (cap friendly) players.

[johnlimburg]

Trades for players of Diggs' skill set AFTER the draft are rare.

Not rare at all. Recent trends show a wide reciever being traded, someone you could say is of comparable talent or at least a productive guy, is actually quite likely to happen after the draft. Since 2016, Mohammad Sanu, Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Kelvin Benjamin, and Sammy Watkins were all traded to new teams after the draft. You might argue on the "skill set" point, but all were considered valuable assets at the time of the trades happening.

we may be talking a 2nd or a 3rd + something...most years we may be talking 1st. .

Not really. When have receivers of even just good talent been traded for a first round pick ? Amari Cooper ? That was a mid-season, desperation move, that everyone scoffed at as being a poor decisions, and it was. The Odell package you could argue was similar, but Diggs isn't on Odells level, and even if you think he is, that is another trade widely considered a bust. What trades for wide receivers for 1st round picks have happened ? Also what trades for wide receivers using a pick that high have worked ? Sanu ? Another trade universally considered a flop. I'd argue the Sammy Watkins for a 6th rounder is the only one in recent memory you would consider "good", at least in the past 4 years.

[MHSalute]

This is arguably best WR class ever, so why not just use that pick to draft a guy? Cheaper. Control for 4-5 years. Sign an affordable WR, and hope you identified the next Emmanuel Sanders.

Why this WR fever? Our success will be determined and dictated by the talent we have up front, on the LOS. Use that second rounder to pry Trent Williams from WAS.

That could be the way we go, but the draft is more risk, longer ramp up period too. What if a vet WR speeds up the development rate of Lock and Fant? Diggs does know the OC, there may be a value add that we will not get from a rookie WR. Also, the WR class can also be leverage to drive the acquisition cost down, we may be talking a 2nd or a 3rd + something...most years we may be talking 1st.

I see both sides, drafting a WR, hope you hit and save 9M in cap space. Make the trade and get a know commodity and maybe accelerate the development of a young QB.

[Letswinplz77]

Another obvious, common sense point everyone is skipping over. I would bet most NFL teams in need of reciever help this year, will be backing off the thought of paying a free agent like Amari Cooper a ridiculous contract. I also think any receivers on the block will remain there until draft day at the earliest. I see the value of veteran receivers being pretty low this year with this upcoming draft class looking so strong. I see teams holding off to grab a rookie, then if they miss their guy trying to grab their backup option, then if they completely miss out, they will make the call for the likes of Diggs.

Trades for players of Diggs' skill level AFTER the draft are rare. Teams don't want to give up that talent for a pick they can't use until the next year, especially considering how short the leash is on head coaches, and in this case, Zimm has already been on the "media" hot seat as it is.

[Letswinplz77]

I believe he’s insinuating Teddy Bridgewater.

Thank you. I guess I wasn't as obvious as I thought.