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  • #31
    Originally posted by MHSalute View Post
    ...20m per year each and that could happen.
    No way Robbie is getting 20 per, won't happen. Julio is about 22 per, Thomas is 19 and OBJ is 18. Robbie isn't even on the same planet as those guys

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jonny_Quest View Post
      Really hope we don’t give up picks for Slay and Diggs =|

      I’d rather keep the picks and sign Byron Jones and Robbie Anderson
      I know we have cap room, but Jones and Anderson are going to get severely overpaid. Fangio in year 1 demonstrated that he is willing to give young guys playing time, and with that comes quicker player development. I like this approach, and with the young core we have coming up right now, I just want to add to it. I would rather not sign any of these overpriced guys, draft well again, maybe sign a couple cheaper, younger free agents, and continue to develop guys. Anderson and Jones will get highly paid, and they are just guys. Slay and Diggs are much better, but they will require draft picks to acquire.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
        I know we have cap room, but Jones and Anderson are going to get severely overpaid. Fangio in year 1 demonstrated that he is willing to give young guys playing time, and with that comes quicker player development. I like this approach, and with the young core we have coming up right now, I just want to add to it. I would rather not sign any of these overpriced guys, draft well again, maybe sign a couple cheaper, younger free agents, and continue to develop guys. Anderson and Jones will get highly paid, and they are just guys. Slay and Diggs are much better, but they will require draft picks to acquire.
        That's a good plan.

        There's a school of thought that if you think you have a really good QB, that you load up in FA while you have them on their rookie contract.

        I wouldn't mind expensive 5 year contracts for Jones and Anderson if they could be dumped easily in years 4 and 5.

        I think Jones and Anderson are well above JAGs. They'd probably be overpaid by 15-20%. I think 4 or 5 strategic signings like that could lead to deep playoff runs over the next 3 years while Lock is on his rookie contract. This is assuming we still continue to draft and develop as well as we have so that when we dump those contracts to extend Lock and other rising stars we have the cap space, and the young up-and-comers to replace them

        My wish list:

        - Byron Jones 5 years (dumpable after 4)
        - Robbie Anderson 4 years (dumpable after 3)
        - DJ Reader 5 years (dumpable after 4)
        - Calais Campbell 3 years (dumpable after 2)
        - Joe Thuney 5 years (dumpable after 4)

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        • #34
          The growing list of capable corners continues to grow. Panthers are going to depart with James Bradberry, still just 26 he could be as good as any available. The problem is he wants in the ballpark of 15 per season

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
            The growing list of capable corners continues to grow. Panthers are going to depart with James Bradberry, still just 26 he could be as good as any available. The problem is he wants in the ballpark of 15 per season
            It will be interesting to see what happens, personally I think we can potentially see a pairing of Slay and Amukamara here. Then we'd insert a day 2 rookie as well(Bryce hall? Gladney?).
            What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
            I don't know and I don't care

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            • #36
              Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
              It will be interesting to see what happens, personally I think we can potentially see a pairing of Slay and Amukamara here. Then we'd insert a day 2 rookie as well(Bryce hall? Gladney?).
              I can see a duo of Slay and Amukamara. Slay ( $10 million this year with a 2/3 year extension) instead of up to $17 million/year for Jones or $16 million/year for Bradberry.

              Slay, Amukamara, Callahan, Hall?/Gladney? along with Simmons, Jackson and Chinn?(Steve Atwater’s nephew) would set up the secondary nicely.

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              • #37
                I hope we don't trade away our 3rd round picks. This draft is strong in the first 100. The key to building in the NFL is having solid veterans with good young guys that outplay their contracts. The teams that do the best are those that draft strong top to bottom and not just the first round.

                If we want to spend money in FA that is great with me, but don't give away solid picks for players that are essentially the same caliber that we can pick up in free agency OR with the pick we are trading.

                No way I want giving up draft capital for Slay when we can sign Jones, Bradberry, or Amukamara.
                No way I want to give up draft capital to sign Diggs when this draft is loaded with WR talent. 20 WRs with 3rd round or higher grades. Diggs is not worth the contract he is demanding

                Did I really read that someone suggested paying 20 million a year for Robbie Anderson? If he was near anywhere near that amount the Jets would never let him go. He wasn't even better than Jamie Crowder last year. Anderson is going to get overpaid but I hope it isn't by us. Rather have a young guy that works for peanuts than pay Anderson over 10 million per year to get 700-800 yards receiving

                If we pickup a WR in free agency, I hope it is a flyer on Perriman but that doesn't mean we shouldn't draft 1 or 2 this year as well. Take advantage of the loaded draft at WR

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by myoung View Post
                  I hope we don't trade away our 3rd round picks. This draft is strong in the first 100. The key to building in the NFL is having solid veterans with good young guys that outplay their contracts. The teams that do the best are those that draft strong top to bottom and not just the first round.

                  If we want to spend money in FA that is great with me, but don't give away solid picks for players that are essentially the same caliber that we can pick up in free agency OR with the pick we are trading.

                  No way I want giving up draft capital for Slay when we can sign Jones, Bradberry, or Amukamara.
                  No way I want to give up draft capital to sign Diggs when this draft is loaded with WR talent. 20 WRs with 3rd round or higher grades. Diggs is not worth the contract he is demanding

                  Did I really read that someone suggested paying 20 million a year for Robbie Anderson? If he was near anywhere near that amount the Jets would never let him go. He wasn't even better than Jamie Crowder last year. Anderson is going to get overpaid but I hope it isn't by us. Rather have a young guy that works for peanuts than pay Anderson over 10 million per year to get 700-800 yards receiving

                  If we pickup a WR in free agency, I hope it is a flyer on Perriman but that doesn't mean we shouldn't draft 1 or 2 this year as well. Take advantage of the loaded draft at WR
                  Anderson won’t get 20 mil, it’ll be anywhere from 8-12 depending on how teams view his off field stuff. He’s capable of being a 1200 yard WR but even if he only nets 800 himself he’s still more valuable than his statistics would indicate. With the speed he brings to the table combined with Lock’s arm strength defenses have to respect it which in turn gives Lindsay more running room and it gives Sutton/Fant more room to operate in the short/intermediate area of the field.

                  I like Perriman as well but there’s a much lower floor there and not as high of a ceiling as Anderson.

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                  • #39
                    Let the 3rd round be the round of the CB. Trade a 3rd for Slay, and draft Bryce Hall and Jeff Gladney.
                    What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                    I don't know and I don't care

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

                      I like Perriman as well but there’s a much lower floor there and not as high of a ceiling as Anderson.
                      Not sure I agree. Anderson has been a bit of an enigma. I struggle seeing how he hasn't done more. If he was as valuable as people act the Jets would be all over it. They have money and not enough skill players. The fact that the Jets don't think he is worth the money should be a sign.

                      Perriman came on strong for the Bucs at the end of the season. Not saying he has been the better player but when you factor the money I think I like his potential upside / cost ratio better. I think I would rather take him on a shorter contract than throw 8-12 million at Anderson. I think they have a similar ceiling, I just think it is less likely that Perriman will hit it.

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                      • #41
                        I would like to get Bradberry. I know he wants 15 mil per year, but he's young and he follows the opponents #1 WR. And, he has matched up against the likes of Michael Thomas, Julio Jones and Mike Evans. I think it would be worth it, but that's just me. However, I would be more than happy to bring in someone like Byron Jones. I would prefer not to trade for Slay. I'd much rather sign a free agent CB and draft one or two as well.

                        I don't want to spend big on a WR. I'd rather draft one in the first two rounds. If we do sign a free agent WR, I'd look for guys on the cheap or a one year prove it deal.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by myoung View Post
                          Not sure I agree. Anderson has been a bit of an enigma. I struggle seeing how he hasn't done more. If he was as valuable as people act the Jets would be all over it. They have money and not enough skill players. The fact that the Jets don't think he is worth the money should be a sign.

                          Perriman came on strong for the Bucs at the end of the season. Not saying he has been the better player but when you factor the money I think I like his potential upside / cost ratio better. I think I would rather take him on a shorter contract than throw 8-12 million at Anderson. I think they have a similar ceiling, I just think it is less likely that Perriman will hit it.
                          The Jets do a lot of confusing things so I wouldn’t read too much into that. Anderson hasn’t had a very good QB or an oline for his QB or another good WR opposite of him as well as his undrafted status which forced him to rise through the depth chart.

                          But the big difference between them I’d say is that I think Anderson has better hands for one (1 drop last season) and he has much more potential as a route runner where as I think Perriman caps out as an Ashley Lelie one trick pony type of WR. Plus I think Perriman benefitted from Winston’s propensity to hold onto the ball for forever and a day as well as Mayfield last season when he had a mini run like what he did with the Bucs. The ceiling may be similar but the floor is vastly different

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                          • #43
                            Doubt we sign Slay now with Bouye on contract. My guess is we pick up Amukamura
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
                              Doubt we sign Slay now with Bouye on contract. My guess is we pick up Amukamura
                              This is my inclination as well, I wouldn't rule out keeping tabs on CHJ but I'd say unkikely
                              What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                              I don't know and I don't care

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                              • #45
                                That's probably a no on Bradberry too. Literally made my post about Bradberry minutes before the Bouye trade news broke.

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