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  • Letswinplz77
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Which player are we talking about? Malik Jackson? Based on his results prior to 2015, and the fact that he openly said he was going to sign with whomever gave him the most "respect" (he was using that word for money) was where he was going to sign, I'm not sure they would have been able to agree on a contract before 2015.

    There was also the matter of the cap crunch the Broncos were under between 2015 and 2016, there was no way they could keep everyone and they had to choose. The Chefs are about to face the same thing, I'm sure their fans wish they had signed Chris Jones a year early as well, but you can't give everyone a new contract, and you have to choose who you think the better players are to keep within a budget.
    I think even if they had offered Malik a new contract following 2014, and he then went on to be a beast in 2015, he'd have become a problem at some point wanting more money. It's possible Elway picked the wrong players to offer contracts to and the let the wrong ones go, but at the time, the cap situation was what it was, and there's no guarantee we could have held onto Jackson OR Trevathan through their next contracts. Only so much to go around.

    Not to mention, at the time, Malik had a few less than memorable seasons and one pretty good one. Without having any idea, has he actually outperformed Wolfe since leaving in 2016? I would google it, but I don't have the time at the moment. Anyone know?
    Last edited by Letswinplz77; 02-21-2020, 03:20 PM.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Which player are we talking about? Malik Jackson? Based on his results prior to 2015, and the fact that he openly said he was going to sign with whomever gave him the most "respect" (he was using that word for money) was where he was going to sign, I'm not sure they would have been able to agree on a contract before 2015.

    There was also the matter of the cap crunch the Broncos were under between 2015 and 2016, there was no way they could keep everyone and they had to choose. The Chefs are about to face the same thing, I'm sure their fans wish they had signed Chris Jones a year early as well, but you can't give everyone a new contract, and you have to choose who you think the better players are to keep within a budget.
    Yeah Malik Jackson and the comments he made regarding bringing him, Danny, and Brock back for less than nothing if they reached out earlier. I don't think it was a huge problem where Elway didn't reach out soon enough, I just think he reached out and re-signed the wrong players. I think the Marshall deal instead of bringing back Danny was more of an issue.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Also true. But one of the better players from that elite 2015 defense had publicly said if Elway had came to him a season earlier he would of signed the extension. Instead a huge year where the entire defense elevated their play, especially on the highest stage, allowed guys values to greatly increase. Also he had early success doing so with Chris Harris and Derek Wolfe, so maybe you are right, and the guys which gave that narrative legs fit your description.
    Which player are we talking about? Malik Jackson? Based on his results prior to 2015, and the fact that he openly said he was going to sign with whomever gave him the most "respect" (he was using that word for money) was where he was going to sign, I'm not sure they would have been able to agree on a contract before 2015.

    There was also the matter of the cap crunch the Broncos were under between 2015 and 2016, there was no way they could keep everyone and they had to choose. The Chefs are about to face the same thing, I'm sure their fans wish they had signed Chris Jones a year early as well, but you can't give everyone a new contract, and you have to choose who you think the better players are to keep within a budget.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Just because he offers a contract doesn't mean a player will accept it. Look at Chris Harris as an example, Elway made an offer, Harris declined because he thought it was too low, now he's probably not going to get close to that. Some players want as much money as they can possibly get so they don't want to re-sign until they see what that is. Others bet on themselves and believe they'll be worth more down the road.
    Also true. But one of the better players from that elite 2015 defense had publicly said if Elway had came to him a season earlier he would of signed the extension. Instead a huge year where the entire defense elevated their play, especially on the highest stage, allowed guys values to greatly increase. Also he had early success doing so with Chris Harris and Derek Wolfe, so maybe you are right, and the guys which gave that narrative legs fit your description.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Complete forgot about all of them, and credit to Elway though, he did get all those deals sorted. I wish Elway had a little more foresight though in re-signing his own guys. The narrative of him failing to lock guys up before they finished their deals went away because he didn't draft anyone good for a few years there to even re-sign, but with Simmons and the cap situation, why hasn't that been done ?
    Just because he offers a contract doesn't mean a player will accept it. Look at Chris Harris as an example, Elway made an offer, Harris declined because he thought it was too low, now he's probably not going to get close to that. Some players want as much money as they can possibly get so they don't want to re-sign until they see what that is. Others bet on themselves and believe they'll be worth more down the road.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Complete forgot about all of them, and credit to Elway though, he did get all those deals sorted. I wish Elway had a little more foresight though in re-signing his own guys. The narrative of him failing to lock guys up before they finished their deals went away because he didn't draft anyone good for a few years there to even re-sign, but with Simmons and the cap situation, why hasn't that been done ?

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  • Mosk
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    A lot of team probably want him, but won’t get him. I can’t see Elway letting one of his best draft selections hit the market. I strongly believe we’ll eventually come to terms on a long term deal with Simmons.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Has Elway ever used the franchise tag ?
    Prater
    Von Miller (remember the ugly comments after the WH visit)
    Demaryius Thomas

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Has Elway ever used the franchise tag ?
    He’s used it on Prater, Clady, Demaryius Thomas, and Von Miller. All were resigned before the deadline to extend tagged players

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Of course they’d like to have Simmons. But he’s getting tagged regardless so he won’t be there next season. And if I recall correctly Elway has never not resigned a player that was franchise tagged.

    For them to get Simmons they would have to literally steal him although I wouldn’t put kidnapping past the Raiders
    Ain’t that the truth, we watched them sell Jon Gruden to the Buccs and then blow a ludicrous amount in order to bring him out of retirement.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    Didn't he do it on Prater?
    Ah yes, correct. Elway does love his drink drivers.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Has Elway ever used the franchise tag ?
    Didn't he do it on Prater?

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Of course they’d like to have Simmons. But he’s getting tagged regardless so he won’t be there next season. And if I recall correctly Elway has never not resigned a player that was franchise tagged.

    For them to get Simmons they would have to literally steal him although I wouldn’t put kidnapping past the Raiders
    Has Elway ever used the franchise tag ?

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  • JvDub95
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    Simmons isn't going anywhere, he'll get tagged if they can't reach a deal.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    They have less cap space then we do, but i guess they can dream!

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