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What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care
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I agree that Jeudy is a more complete route runner. And Lamb is a more complete WR. We all have our details we prefer and are biased towards. No issue with that.
All of the top WRs (or any position) are bunched together with each being a bit better at on aspect or another. It is the nature of the speculations.
What I find interesting is some that continue to advocate for a later WR because of the “deep class” but tend to downplay that 2nd or 3rd rd “almost as good” players flaws.
There is a reason they are not considered a top 5-7 WR. Usually the flaws are not as fast, not as big, tendency to drop balls, poor route running, injury prone, etc. Those flaws also make them role players instead as of impact starters.
Same principle applies to coveted OTs, CBs, or LBs. We all have our preferences but at least be fair in our appraisals of similar talent or those that drop off significantly and are just not “just as good” .
Hell, I do it too. I prefer a WR at #15 and tend to downplay the importance of a CB , LB or Dlineman potentially available there. Accepting that one chosen later will be "almost as good".. When in reality, they are not. I just am more forgiving of the flawsLast edited by FR Tim; 04-09-2020, 07:50 AM.
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Just some things to ponder.
With the addition of Jurrell Casey, if we add Kinlaw, we’d have the best interior pass rush in the league. We already have Dre’Mont Jones but Kinlaw and Casey would be like Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins on the same D-line .
With Drew Lock passing to Courtland Sutton, Noah fant, Melvin Gordon and perhaps Henry Ruggs, we’d have KC like offensive fire power.
With AJ Bouye, Justin Simmons, K-Jack and adding CJ Henderson, we’d have a no fly zone like secondary. Perhaps strong enough to slow the Chiefs.
We are right there, that close in these categories so now I ask, which is the most important area to add first round talent and who should we target?!
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Originally posted by Sam_Z View PostJust some things to ponder.
With the addition of Jurrell Casey, if we add Kinlaw, we’d have the best interior pass rush in the league. We already have Dre’Mont Jones but Kinlaw and Casey would be like Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins on the same D-line .
With Drew Lock passing to Courtland Sutton, Noah fant, Melvin Gordon and perhaps Henry Ruggs, we’d have KC like offensive fire power.
With AJ Bouye, Justin Simmons, K-Jack and adding CJ Henderson, we’d have a no fly zone like secondary. Perhaps strong enough to slow the Chiefs.
We are right there, that close in these categories so now I ask, which is the most important area to add first round talent and who should we target?!
In this scenario, I'd go WR, because we need to score more points.
If we could trade back a little, I think we could find 3 players that would strengthen all 3 aspects of our game.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostGood question!
In this scenario, I'd go WR, because we need to score more points.
If we could trade back a little, I think we could find 3 players that would strengthen all 3 aspects of our game.
Or grab Ruggs and hope Trevon Diggs is there in the mid second, but like I’ve been saying, Denver has all these picks with only so many roster spots.
I’d be so disappointed if Elway didn’t take advantage of all these extra picks. He could trade down I. The first and move up in the second or 3rd.
If done right, he could add a lot of talent and needs at the same time!
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Originally posted by Sam_Z View PostJust some things to ponder.
With the addition of Jurrell Casey, if we add Kinlaw, we’d have the best interior pass rush in the league. We already have Dre’Mont Jones but Kinlaw and Casey would be like Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins on the same D-line .
With Drew Lock passing to Courtland Sutton, Noah fant, Melvin Gordon and perhaps Henry Ruggs, we’d have KC like offensive fire power.
With AJ Bouye, Justin Simmons, K-Jack and adding CJ Henderson, we’d have a no fly zone like secondary. Perhaps strong enough to slow the Chiefs.
We are right there, that close in these categories so now I ask, which is the most important area to add first round talent and who should we target?!
There's been talks about us trading up, but, I think it's more likely we'll stay at #15 and trade up either into the end of the first round or top of the second round. It would cost less but allow us to grab some of the top talent at our target positions.
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Originally posted by Sam_Z View PostId like to trade back a few spots and hopefully grab Henderson and then Mims or Jefferson high in the second.
Or grab Ruggs and hope Trevon Diggs is there in the mid second, but like I’ve been saying, Denver has all these picks with only so many roster spots.
I’d be so disappointed if Elway didn’t take advantage of all these extra picks. He could trade down I. The first and move up in the second or 3rd.
If done right, he could add a lot of talent and needs at the same time!
So picture that....Jefferson, who some rank in the top 3 WRs, plus possibly 3 2nds and 1 3rd. That combo of picks can take care of CB/OL/DT/ILB, and all good caliber. I would be very excited about that prospect. And we would still have selections beyond, that could also be used to trade or stay put with.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostMy goal would be to first find a trade down partner or two, and then see if we could land Jefferson with our first pick (and I think he will go no later than the early 20s), then ramp up in rounds two and three. The trade back would likely gain us 200-300 points, which is low 2nd or high 3rd round. We would end up with 1 second and 4 3rds at worst, maybe 2 and 3. Either way, if we made one trade up from there, we could end up with 2 or even 3 2nds! And still have at least 1 3rd.
So picture that....Jefferson, who some rank in the top 3 WRs, plus possibly 3 2nds and 1 3rd. That combo of picks can take care of CB/OL/DT/ILB, and all good caliber. I would be very excited about that prospect. And we would still have selections beyond, that could also be used to trade or stay put with.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostMy goal would be to first find a trade down partner or two, and then see if we could land Jefferson with our first pick (and I think he will go no later than the early 20s), then ramp up in rounds two and three. The trade back would likely gain us 200-300 points, which is low 2nd or high 3rd round. We would end up with 1 second and 4 3rds at worst, maybe 2 and 3. Either way, if we made one trade up from there, we could end up with 2 or even 3 2nds! And still have at least 1 3rd.
So picture that....Jefferson, who some rank in the top 3 WRs, plus possibly 3 2nds and 1 3rd. That combo of picks can take care of CB/OL/DT/ILB, and all good caliber. I would be very excited about that prospect. And we would still have selections beyond, that could also be used to trade or stay put with.
Just a bit skeptical about getting there as you propose. Starts with your initial “trade down” with Jefferson. Broncos may have to use #15 to draft him.
He has been moving up most mocks and evaluations. IMO no later then Eagles at #21. Potentially sooner. And others may be trying to trade into those spots to get him too.
Still a great idea to take him at #15 (or other topWR) and manage to have 2 2nds and a 3rd to work with. Although I am more inclined to keep the 6 picks in the Top 118 and let the draft fall as it may.
So impatient to see how the FO actually manages it.
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Originally posted by FR Tim View PostSign me up for your proposal of Jefferson, 3 2nds and a 3rd!
Just a bit skeptical about getting there as you propose. Starts with your initial “trade down” with Jefferson. Broncos may have to use #15 to draft him.
He has been moving up most mocks and evaluations. IMO no later then Eagles at #21. Potentially sooner. And others may be trying to trade into those spots to get him too.
Still a great idea to take him at #15 (or other topWR) and manage to have 2 2nds and a 3rd to work with. Although I am more inclined to keep the 6 picks in the Top 118 and let the draft fall as it may.
So impatient to see how the FO actually manages it.
And then we find a trade partner and move up, because we have 2 2nds and 3 rds. We could possibly shrink that by one, to move back up and land a 3rd 2nd for the price of 2 3rds, or even a better deal!!!
I would have go a bit giddy if that ever happened!!
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostNo doubt, it's a bit hinged on luck and skill, in terms of trade partners and Jefferson still being there. But I feel like some things are trending the same way, including the top 3 WRs going by mid first round, and Jefferson being possibly the next in line. We would need to trade back, but not too far back, cuz he's gone! Say it was 20 as an example....that's 400 value points. And that equates to just past mid second round. If that was a reality, imagine Jefferson and a mid 2nd???? Too good to be true!
And then we find a trade partner and move up, because we have 2 2nds and 3 rds. We could possibly shrink that by one, to move back up and land a 3rd 2nd for the price of 2 3rds, or even a better deal!!!
I would have go a bit giddy if that ever happened!!sigpic
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