if simmons is still there at 7?

[armedequation]

would you pay the price to move up to get him?

im not sure i would. guess it depends on how much it is. this really hinges on wether the giants go tackle or not currently.

at that point we could still trade freeman and todd davis to get back some middle round picks. but having simmons can help multiple positions....its just if the price is worth it

[BroncoooJohnson]

would you pay the price to move up to get him?

im not sure i would. guess it depends on how much it is. this really hinges on wether the giants go tackle or not currently.

at that point we could still trade freeman and todd davis to get back some middle round picks. but having simmons can help multiple positions....its just if the price is worth it

Projection-wise it’d make some sense. He can pretty much do everything we lack (interior blitzing LB, versatile between positions, cover TEs). He seems like the perfect player to help neutralize Travis Kelce.

With that said, he wasn’t a game wrecker consistently in college, which I’d like to see out of a guy with that athleticism. Not saying he wasn’t awesome, but he didn’t really take games over.

[fraguela09]

Get him! He’s the guy I would trade up for. It all depends on price, of course.

[Alaskajoe]

Get him! He’s the guy I would trade up for. It all depends on price, of course.

All 3 3rds and ABSOLUTELY. Hell I'd go 1st this year, our 1st 3rd this year and our 2nd this year
He is that big of a chess piece

[Alaskajoe]

Projection-wise it’d make some sense. He can pretty much do everything we lack (interior blitzing LB, versatile between positions, cover TEs). He seems like the perfect player to help neutralize Travis Kelce.

With that said, he wasn’t a game wrecker consistently in college, which I’d like to see out of a guy with that athleticism. Not saying he wasn’t awesome, but he didn’t really take games over.

The yin to the "play every position we need you too" yang. When You are splitting time on so many positions and negating the primary weapon for the opponent they aren't going to allow you to make those "splash" plays. He wiped put what the opponent did best. It was amazing game in and game out to watch how Clemson basically said "shut down what they do best" and he would do so. So much high level versatility. It's nuts. He's Darwin James on crack

[brianmcfarlane]

All 3 3rds and ABSOLUTELY. Hell I'd go 1st this year, our 1st 3rd this year and our 2nd this year
He is that big of a chess piece

Not sure what you're offering?
IMO, the Broncos should NOT give up their 2nd round this year to move up for any player. I don't think ILB is worth that. I would offer 1st and 2 3rd's this year and 2nd next year. I don't think the Giants would go for that though.
I am not usually for moving up in the 1st but Simmons is a player I would consider but I would not give up the 2nd round or all 3 3rds.
I imagine the cost is too high.

[Alaskajoe]

Not sure what you're offering?
IMO, the Broncos should NOT give up their 2nd round this year to move up for any player. I don't think ILB is worth that. I would offer 1st and 2 3rd's this year and 2nd next year. I don't think the Giants would go for that though.
I am not usually for moving up in the 1st but Simmons is a player I would consider but I would not give up the 2nd round or all 3 3rds.
I imagine the cost is too high.

Sorry. I listed 2 different options.

Our 2020 1st and all 3x 2020 3rds

Or 2020 1st and a 2020 3rd and our 2021 2nd.

[Alaskajoe]

Not sure what you're offering?
IMO, the Broncos should NOT give up their 2nd round this year to move up for any player. I don't think ILB is worth that. I would offer 1st and 2 3rd's this year and 2nd next year. I don't think the Giants would go for that though.
I am not usually for moving up in the 1st but Simmons is a player I would consider but I would not give up the 2nd round or all 3 3rds.
I imagine the cost is too high.

also when it comes to him, we HAVE to think outside the position box. Outside of defensive line He is truly positionless!

[brianmcfarlane]

Sorry. I listed 2 different options.

Our 2020 1st and all 3x 2020 3rds

Or 2020 1st and a 2020 3rd and our 2021 2nd.

LOL, no longer confused ... I would do the 2020 1st and 3rd (or two?) and next years 2nd.

[myoung]

No way. Of course only my opinion. I can see his talent but he wouldn't put us over the top. We won't win more games if we can't score points. Our offense was 25th (or so depending which stat you use) and our defense was good enough. I don't think Simmons translates to more wins. We have to be able to score more points.

This draft is loaded at WR and top level OTs. We have a serious need at both. We need to invest in those positions and not give up draft capital for Simmons.

If we stay at 15 and Simmons somehow falls he would be clearly BPA and I would be happy to take him, but please don't trade our draft capital leaving us not draft picks to help our young QB.

[armedequation]

i think i would do it for the 1/3 2020 and 2021 2nd.

then maybe go

2 cushonberry
3 hall
3 peart
4 fotu
4 tyler jonson
5 duvernay
6 muse
7 motley

something along those lines. the extra 3th or 4th from trading freeman/davis

[Alaskajoe]

No way. Of course only my opinion. I can see his talent but he wouldn't put us over the top. We won't win more games if we can't score points. Our offense was 25th (or so depending which stat you use) and our defense was good enough. I don't think Simmons translates to more wins. We have to be able to score more points.

This draft is loaded at WR and top level OTs. We have a serious need at both. We need to invest in those positions and not give up draft capital for Simmons.

If we stay at 15 and Simmons somehow falls he would be clearly BPA and I would be happy to take him, but please don't trade our draft capital leaving us not draft picks to help our young QB.

I disagree. In our division alone, he at minimum negates the overwhelming advantage the other 3 teams have had against our "good enough" defense. The TE or RB mismatch in thr passing game. Instead of the other teams being able to matriculate down the field, picking up 1st down after 1st down, his presence alone will increase our 3 and outs, allowing us to have better field position and in doing so being placed in a better position to score. It will also help our pass rush as the other teams won't be able to be in 3rd and shorts, but instead be in those 3rd and longs to allow us to really use Von and Chubb. In essence, his selection helps all 3 phases of our team.

[Kyousukeneko]

It is gonna be to expensive to move that high plus we want picks this is a strong class trading down and getting queen plus more capital would probably be the move I went for sadly we play our self out of the position to draft Simmons

[Butler By'Note]

If he's still there at 7, Carolina will draft him. They've spent 25+ years building themselves as a regional team for both Carolinas. They played their first NFL season at Clemson, and they're building a new training complex in Rock Hill, SC. They will look at him like they looked at Julius Peppers, a hometown (by college) player that can be the face of their franchise.

[fraguela09]

From Rotoworld:

An anonymous NFL executive in personnel told the Athletic's Bob McGinn that Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons is "the most overrated player in the draft."

NFL coaches and general managers prefer certitude, and that's nearly impossible to come by as it pertains to Simmons' role. In a poll of 16 executives asking what they thought his best position would be in the NFL, 10 replied weak-side linebacker, three said nickel linebacker, one said outside linebacker and two said safety. “If you put this guy at sam linebacker only, he’s going to struggle,” said an AFC executive. “If you put him at free safety only, he’s going to struggle. You’ve got to be creative." A two-year starting hybrid specialist who earned the 2019 Dick Butkus Award as the nation’s top linebacker, Simmons played snaps at linebacker, safety, and nickel corner in college, allowing merely 5.6 yards per target given his elite sideline-to-sideline coverage skills. It would be wise for front offices to avoid pigeonholing him into any type of role, instead allowing him to roam free and naturally create plays at the next level.

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It’s the season of lies, but this infers that’s Simmons may not be high high on everybody’s board.... only teams that will get creative, might have him rated higher. I’m not sure if he fits in the Fangio scheme, and what he’s telling elway.... but if we were ever gonna address are woeful TE coverage ability.... this is the guy.... and, I’m beginning to sense that he may fall into a range we feel comfortable moving up to....

I don’t think CAR passes on Brown for Simmons! And, if so... then I trade up for Brown!