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  • chad72
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    K J Hamler reminds me so much of T.Y.Hilton, he could even be used as a Z occasionally in motion across formations. This was T Y Hilton's draft profile after the combine:

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ton?id=2532865

    Granted, Andrew Luck made T Y more as his numbers suffered when Luck was replaced by Hasselback or Brissett, you name it. It goes without saying that the trigger man is key to maximizing the potential for the pass catchers.

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  • MarshallMoss
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    Here is some excellent insight from Elway on why picking a receiver round 1 gave them a better chance of landing Hamler round 2:

    “Not knowing how the first round was going to go, I was still prepared to go receiver-receiver,” Elway said during an appearance on "The Rich Eisen Show" on Wednesday. “And I know that it helped us going receiver-receiver because of the fact that if we hadn’t gone receiver in the first round, I think there would’ve been a lot of people that would’ve tried to jump us in the second round.

    “There were a lot of people behind us that kind of let us know that Hamler was their guy,” Elway said. “But with us sitting there, not going up as well as having drafted a wide receiver in the first round, I think people were fine sitting there thinking that we weren’t going to draft another receiver.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/john-...icks-nfl-draft

    I had an interesting thought that all this predraft trade talk to go up and down could be giving the Broncos better intel on positions and players other teams are looking for in that pick range. Allowing them to more accurately put together their own draft plan. Thoughts?
    Last edited by MarshallMoss; 04-30-2020, 06:18 AM.

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  • listopencil
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    It's almost time to think about what we'll have on game day. Off the cuff I'm thinking:


    QB = 2
    WR = 6
    RB = 3
    TE = 4
    OL = 8
    Offense = 23
    NT = 2
    DE = 6
    ILB = 4
    OLB = 4
    CB = 5
    SF = 4
    Defense = 25
    K/P/LS
    ST = 3

    Use WR/DB/RB for both return spots.

    That's 51. So you could add two more in there. Another CB? Another TE?

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  • FR Tim
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    Sure. We're talking about guys who are 6th/7th/(8th?) on a hypothetical way-too-early depth chart and they would have Practice Squad eligibility. I just expect a little something out of Winfree because he flashed ability in college. I saw some really good body control and some tricky route running here and there. As of right now I'm a little high on his stock, so to speak. Hopefully we'll we see what he can do this year.



    *Upon Edit: I listed Hamler after Patrick and Hamilton because I don't know what he can do against a pro Defense yet, but Jeudy right after Sutton because I think he's shown that he's the immediate #2WR.
    No worries. I wasn’t trying to rank them.

    Think Sutton, Jeudy and Hamler the three most impact. But like Patrick and Hamilton as quality backups. After that ... who knows.

    You may be correct with the final roster having more then the six though. Long way off and a lot can happen

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  • listopencil
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    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    Would agree with your list except for the competition between Winfree and Cleveland. That might turn into quite a battle. And another might be able to get into the action for all we know.

    I would not give either too much of an advantage as a WR but Cleveland is supposed to be a physical blocker and a pretty good gunner on STs. Might give him an edge.

    Thrilled with the additions and Sutton. Patrick and Hamilton as the depth and 4th /5th WRs is crazy. Like them both, but as competent backups
    Sure. We're talking about guys who are 6th/7th/(8th?) on a hypothetical way-too-early depth chart and they would have Practice Squad eligibility. I just expect a little something out of Winfree because he flashed ability in college. I saw some really good body control and some tricky route running here and there. As of right now I'm a little high on his stock, so to speak. Hopefully we'll we see what he can do this year.



    *Upon Edit: I listed Hamler after Patrick and Hamilton because I don't know what he can do against a pro Defense yet, but Jeudy right after Sutton because I think he's shown that he's the immediate #2WR.

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  • FR Tim
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    Whelp. As of right now I like Sutton, Jeudy, Patrick, Hamilton, Hamler, Winfree to make the active roster. Should be interesting if we actually get a Training Camp. Seems like they could follow the same precautions that essential workers are following.
    Would agree with your list except for the competition between Winfree and Cleveland. That might turn into quite a battle. And another might be able to get into the action for all we know.

    I would not give either too much of an advantage as a WR but Cleveland is supposed to be a physical blocker and a pretty good gunner on STs. Might give him an edge.

    Thrilled with the additions and Sutton. Patrick and Hamilton as the depth and 4th /5th WRs is crazy. Like them both, but as competent backups

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  • MarshallMoss
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    Originally posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    If Lock progresses into a prolific QB, I could see in 2021 or 2022 the trio of Sutton, Jeudy, and Hamler all being 1,000 yard receivers. It will be interesting how the chess-master Shurmur himself will scheme these guys in his offense. One thing I feel like we overlook a little bit is the fact that Elway went and got weapons that Shurmur covets for his renowned scheme. Of course, we got Lock his receiving toys— but at the same time, this draft ensured that Shurmur has the pieces he likes as well. This makes me feel less confident in how he views Patrick/Hamilton and nearly all of our TEs due to them being from drafts with previous OCs.

    Hamler does play tough but he sure doesn’t play much bigger than his frame. I do feel pretty good about his chances burning opposing secondaries and DBs deep, though. A lot of his great plays at PSU mostly came from short/intermediate routes, which shows me how explosive he is and how he has the ability to make plays after the catch.

    I said it before the draft, Hamler has the best quickness and change-of-direction ability out of any WR in this class besides Jeudy. And now we have both of them. I predict Broncos Country will appreciate Jeudy for his exceptional consistency and Hamler for his flashy, big plays.

    Crazy to think we could have two of the quickest route runners from a draft regarded the best ever for wide receivers.

    Long after this virus finally ends, we will have receivers practicing social distancing on opposing defenses for a long time
    Last edited by MarshallMoss; 04-30-2020, 06:09 AM.

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  • HDbroncos02
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    Originally posted by MarshallMoss View Post
    Hamler might be the 3rd, 4th or even 5th receiver that draws attention. Hamler will be at times 1 on 1 with linebackers and defensive backs that might be 4th or 5th on the depth charts. These are matchups that Hamler will own when given. When teams start paying more and more attention to him, Courtland and Jeudy will start going wild, it's the beauty of our offense. We have the ultimate pieces to play chess with any D.

    I also love the Dawg in Hamler. If a team does put a small speedster d back on Hamler, I like his chances in breaking free from those small defenders even if they have the speed to keep up with him.

    We are going to be so spoiled with Jeudy and his routes, that KJ might get a little overlooked with his. KJ is no slouch, his moves at top speed are beautiful to behold.
    If Lock progresses into a prolific QB, I could see in 2021 or 2022 the trio of Sutton, Jeudy, and Hamler all being 1,000 yard receivers. It will be interesting how the chess-master Shurmur himself will scheme these guys in his offense. One thing I feel like we overlook a little bit is the fact that Elway went and got weapons that Shurmur covets for his renowned scheme. Of course, we got Lock his receiving toys— but at the same time, this draft ensured that Shurmur has the pieces he likes as well. This makes me feel less confident in how he views Patrick/Hamilton and nearly all of our TEs due to them being from drafts with previous OCs.

    Hamler does play tough but he sure doesn’t play much bigger than his frame. I do feel pretty good about his chances burning opposing secondaries and DBs deep, though. A lot of his great plays at PSU mostly came from short/intermediate routes, which shows me how explosive he is and how he has the ability to make plays after the catch.

    I said it before the draft, Hamler has the best quickness and change-of-direction ability out of any WR in this class besides Jeudy. And now we have both of them. I predict Broncos Country will appreciate Jeudy for his exceptional consistency and Hamler for his flashy, big plays.

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  • listopencil
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    Whelp. As of right now I like Sutton, Jeudy, Patrick, Hamilton, Hamler, Winfree to make the active roster. Should be interesting if we actually get a Training Camp. Seems like they could follow the same precautions that essential workers are following.

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  • MarshallMoss
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    Originally posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    I was waiting for you to comment!

    Our discussions in other threads caused me to look into Hamler more as a prospect. I never thought we would go WR again after taking Jeudy, so my initial reaction to us taking Hamler was a bit sour. My feelings aside, however, Hamler is a stud prospect. He is 100% that game-breaking playmaker that you mentioned. I couldn’t help but think about how you said that Hamler forced opposing defenses to respect him, something that I never saw opponents really do for Ruggs or Reagor frequently. He will face faster, tougher NFL defensive backs, but I trust his insane athletic talent and Shumur’s scheme to continue to make him a dangerous threat every time he steps on the field.

    My gut feeling tells me that our fanbase will quickly fall in love with Reagor’s deep receiving ability and the electric element he brings to the offense. I love Jeudy, but I think by the end of 2020– we’ll be seeing more Hamler jerseys than Jeudy ones in the stadium. I’m excited and even more encouraged by your comments on Hamler leading up to the draft.
    I think the NFL (specifically the Broncos offense) will make Hamler more dangerous than college. Yes, the NFL will have bigger, faster and smarter players, but KJ was the only real threat on that team in college. In fact, Hamler caught almost 50% of all catches thrown to receivers on his team last year. Needless to say defenses were game planning specifically for him.

    Now with the Broncos, with various personnel packages, you will have some combination of Sutton, Jeudy, Fant, Gordon etc etc with Hamler in the slot or probably switching it up with Jeudy on the outside occasionally.

    Hamler might be the 3rd, 4th or even 5th receiver that draws attention. Hamler will be at times 1 on 1 with linebackers and defensive backs that might be 4th or 5th on the depth charts. These are matchups that Hamler will own when given. When teams start paying more and more attention to him, Courtland and Jeudy will start going wild, it's the beauty of our offense. We have the ultimate pieces to play chess with any D.

    I also love the Dawg in Hamler. If a team does put a small speedster d back on Hamler, I like his chances in breaking free from those small defenders even if they have the speed to keep up with him.

    We are going to be so spoiled with Jeudy and his routes, that KJ might get a little overlooked with his. KJ is no slouch, his moves at top speed are beautiful to behold.
    Last edited by MarshallMoss; 04-29-2020, 07:04 PM.

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  • myoung
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Our fan base is going to love KJ Hamler.
    He is such an electric player and everything he does brings a level of excitement. He is going to get the Devin Hester treatment from our fan base in no time.

    I know people have concerns about his drop percentage, but as a PSU fan it truly never felt like an issue. Maybe in the same sense that Bears fans have only a faint recollection of Hesters 30 fumbles. Hamler had a couple of ugly ones and they have been replayed to death, but many times he got his hands on balls that looked nowhere near him. He is hard to over-throw and I remember far more times wondering what Clifford was thinking.

    I'm excited we got him and I think he landed in one of the best situations he could have. Some players just bring a level of excitement that can't be measured. It's not just speed, it's the moves at top speed that make him so dangerous. Im excited to see what he does now that defenses can't afford to overplay him so much.
    Welcome to Denver KJ!
    I really appreciate this post. While I was really hoping for a tackle I will admit Hamler was one of my favorites coming into the draft. I had such mixed emotions when I saw his name. Hamlers small space quickness is unreal as is his ability to wiggle at near full speed. I agree he just has the “IT” factor. I am excited to see what he does and hope he ends up closer to Hill than Austin

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  • HDbroncos02
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Our fan base is going to love KJ Hamler.
    He is such an electric player and everything he does brings a level of excitement. He is going to get the Devin Hester treatment from our fan base in no time.

    I know people have concerns about his drop percentage, but as a PSU fan it truly never felt like an issue. Maybe in the same sense that Bears fans have only a faint recollection of Hesters 30 fumbles. Hamler had a couple of ugly ones and they have been replayed to death, but many times he got his hands on balls that looked nowhere near him. He is hard to over-throw and I remember far more times wondering what Clifford was thinking.

    I'm excited we got him and I think he landed in one of the best situations he could have. Some players just bring a level of excitement that can't be measured. It's not just speed, it's the moves at top speed that make him so dangerous. Im excited to see what he does now that defenses can't afford to overplay him so much.
    Welcome to Denver KJ!
    I was waiting for you to comment!

    Our discussions in other threads caused me to look into Hamler more as a prospect. I never thought we would go WR again after taking Jeudy, so my initial reaction to us taking Hamler was a bit sour. My feelings aside, however, Hamler is a stud prospect. He is 100% that game-breaking playmaker that you mentioned. I couldn’t help but think about how you said that Hamler forced opposing defenses to respect him, something that I never saw opponents really do for Ruggs or Reagor frequently. He will face faster, tougher NFL defensive backs, but I trust his insane athletic talent and Shumur’s scheme to continue to make him a dangerous threat every time he steps on the field.

    My gut feeling tells me that our fanbase will quickly fall in love with Hamler’s deep receiving ability and the electric element he brings to the offense. I love Jeudy, but I think by the end of 2020– we’ll be seeing more Hamler jerseys than Jeudy ones in the stadium. I’m excited and even more encouraged by your comments on Hamler leading up to the draft.
    Last edited by HDbroncos02; 04-29-2020, 07:04 PM.

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  • Chillez
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Our fan base is going to love KJ Hamler.
    He is such an electric player and everything he does brings a level of excitement. He is going to get the Devin Hester treatment from our fan base in no time.

    I know people have concerns about his drop percentage, but as a PSU fan it truly never felt like an issue. Maybe in the same sense that Bears fans have only a faint recollection of Hesters 30 fumbles. Hamler had a couple of ugly ones and they have been replayed to death, but many times he got his hands on balls that looked nowhere near him. He is hard to over-throw and I remember far more times wondering what Clifford was thinking.

    I'm excited we got him and I think he landed in one of the best situations he could have. Some players just bring a level of excitement that can't be measured. It's not just speed, it's the moves at top speed that make him so dangerous. Im excited to see what he does now that defenses can't afford to overplay him so much.
    Welcome to Denver KJ!
    KJ Hamler is electric and dynamic player that should help Denver with speed and being deep threat that can take the top of the defense. Hamler needs to work on his hands and not dropping balls he has far too many drops.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by MarshallMoss View Post
    I think after the shock has settled, it would be nice to have a separate thread to discuss what KJ can add to our offense.

    We needed a speed guy to round out our WR corps. This is going to free up all our other receivers.

    Look how scary this offense has become over the course of 2 days:

    1. The big physical specimen with hands that can outmuscle any CB one on one - Sutton
    2. The ankle breaking route runner who could be an elite possession receiver with speed - Jeudy
    3. The speed burner who will force D's to add a safety over the top on him - KJ Hamler
    4. A huge specimen with speed and major mismatch to nfl linebackers - Noah Fant
    5. One of the best receiving Rb's in the game - Melvin Gordon
    6. Great depth for blocking packages or injury in Patrick and Hamilton

    But my man said it best about KJ Hamler " He's allergic to DB's, he can't get infected". Check out this video, you will surely be entertained

    Highlight vids like to show TDs but I learned more about his skills in the plays he did not score. The dude is fast, elusive, quick change of direction and fearless in traffic.

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  • BroncoooJohnson
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Our fan base is going to love KJ Hamler.
    He is such an electric player and everything he does brings a level of excitement. He is going to get the Devin Hester treatment from our fan base in no time.

    I know people have concerns about his drop percentage, but as a PSU fan it truly never felt like an issue. Maybe in the same sense that Bears fans have only a faint recollection of Hesters 30 fumbles. Hamler had a couple of ugly ones and they have been replayed to death, but many times he got his hands on balls that looked nowhere near him. He is hard to over-throw and I remember far more times wondering what Clifford was thinking.

    I'm excited we got him and I think he landed in one of the best situations he could have. Some players just bring a level of excitement that can't be measured. It's not just speed, it's the moves at top speed that make him so dangerous. Im excited to see what he does now that defenses can't afford to overplay him so much.
    Welcome to Denver KJ!
    I had to double check Hester’s stats to make sure you were right, that’s a lot of fumbles! 8 his rookie year when he was viewed as the most lethal player with the ball in his hands... 41 in his career... big plays really erase the bad in the history books.

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