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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    I don't think we will get #1 overall, but it's an interesting question. I think TL is very good, he has the tools, but the mental side is something none of us will get to know tbh. I personally think we will end up with Sewell or Parsons
    Those would be my two choices, in that order if Denver isn't choosing first, which I don't think they will. If they're choosing 1st, they pretty much have to take Lawrence or Fields. If they're choosing first but Lock has come back and shown he can be the guy, you deal the first overall pick for a bunch of picks.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    I don't think we will get #1 overall, but it's an interesting question. I think TL is very good, he has the tools, but the mental side is something none of us will get to know tbh. I personally think we will end up with Sewell or Parsons

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Ok Here Is The Truth. When Was The Last Time A QB with a listed height of over 6’5 such as in TL’s Lanky Size of 6’6 ever been Great not just Good However Great Because That Is What Denver Needs From Their QB Position They Need A Great QB. 6’6 TL will be a Bust. If I was the GM of the DB I would draft O-LINE with Denver’s first Three Pics in the 2021 Draft. I honestly do not know about Drew Lock only because his 1st Two Games were Horrendous. Drew was not Accurate whatsoever and his play was only fitting in the mere fact that Denver was 0-2 So many questions no Answers except the mere fact that you can Book It TL will be a Bust.

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  • HDbroncos02
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    My biggest concern with him (and it's not really that big) is just that he's never really faced adversity. His teams have always won big. In his 32 starts I believe Clemson has been in somewhere around 4 that were decided by one score or less. In his first of those games (2018 v Texas A&M) they had a big lead and gave up a couple of scores in the 4th quarter to make it closer. In the second he was injured and his backup came on and helped them win. The third was against North Carolina last year and Carolina got it to 1 point right at the end of the game, but opted to go for 2 and try to win, the Clemson defense made the play. The final one was against Ohio State in the semi-final, and in that game he did lead his team to victory with a drive late in the game. It's a small gripe, but it is one.
    I completely agree. Last year really poked holes in his “invincibility” as a prospect, especially the North Carolina game and the CFB playoffs. That “it” factor to go win games and battle back from adversity was what made me so sure about his predecessor Deshaun Watson. I think the LSU game was the best situation to assess how Lawrence fares in adverse circumstances where the team is relying directly on him to come back and win the game. Otherwise, yeah, it’s hard to evaluate him when his teams have dominated virtually every game and those close games that did have dicey outcomes ultimately didn’t depend on him.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    That’s a very good point. Does Clemson win because of him? Or is he merely boosted due to having such a superior environment and team around him? Perhaps, both to some degree.

    He’s had Etienne, Higgins, Ross, and a few OL that all have/will be drafted (unsure about Ross after his spinal condition). There’s no doubt the system at Clemson is tailored to Lawrence’s strengths. I will say this, though— he’s a proven winner. He destroyed an Alabama defense that was chock-full of NFL talent, as a true freshman in the Natty. Granted, he wasn’t great overall against arguably the best college football team in history in that 2019-2020 LSU team— but he still kept Clemson “in” that game for what it’s worth. Lawrence may not have completely earned the Manning/Luck level of generational QB prospect, but he’s 100% a quarterback that any OC can scheme their offense around.

    My biggest concern with him (and it's not really that big) is just that he's never really faced adversity. His teams have always won big. In his 32 starts I believe Clemson has been in somewhere around 4 that were decided by one score or less. In his first of those games (2018 v Texas A&M) they had a big lead and gave up a couple of scores in the 4th quarter to make it closer. In the second he was injured and his backup came on and helped them win. The third was against North Carolina last year and Carolina got it to 1 point right at the end of the game, but opted to go for 2 and try to win, the Clemson defense made the play. The final one was against Ohio State in the semi-final, and in that game he did lead his team to victory with a drive late in the game. It's a small gripe, but it is one.

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  • HDbroncos02
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Here's my issue with Lawrence, and I say this as someone who would absolutely take him first overall if Denver ends up with that pick.

    Are we sure that he's a truly special QB? Or is he a good QB on a team that's had more talent (often times way more so) than the opposition on probably 30 of his 32 college starts. It's a lot easier to be a great QB when the players around you are just better than the guys they're going against. In the NFL those mismatches don't exist on that scale.

    In 32 college starts he's only ever had to drive his team down the field to win the game once. That was in the semi-final last year v Ohio State. He has no real history of having to be clutch when it counts, so can he do it in the big leagues?

    I'm not anti-Lawrence in any way. But I just don't think it's a slam dunk that he'll be a great NFL QB like is being assumed.
    That’s a very good point. Does Clemson win because of him? Or is he merely boosted due to having such a superior environment and team around him? Perhaps, both to some degree.

    He’s had Etienne, Higgins, Ross, and a few OL that all have/will be drafted (unsure about Ross after his spinal condition). There’s no doubt the system at Clemson is tailored to Lawrence’s strengths. I will say this, though— he’s a proven winner. He destroyed an Alabama defense that was chock-full of NFL talent, as a true freshman in the Natty. Granted, he wasn’t great overall against arguably the best college football team in history in that 2019-2020 LSU team— but he still kept Clemson “in” that game for what it’s worth. Lawrence may not have completely earned the Manning/Luck level of generational QB prospect, but he’s 100% a quarterback that any OC can scheme their offense around.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
    The next "Andrew Luck" type player is Sam Ehlinger from UT.
    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Oh man I really do like Sam Ehlinger
    Seems like Tom Herman decided he wasn't going to let QBs from high schools in Austin get away from the Longhorns, as has happened in the past.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
    The next "Andrew Luck" type player is Sam Ehlinger from UT.
    Oh man I really do like Sam Ehlinger

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  • CoryWinget81
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    Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    again....i been saying that from a while....i think he will be ok....but next like some who say he is the next Andrew luck.
    The next "Andrew Luck" type player is Sam Ehlinger from UT.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Here's my issue with Lawrence, and I say this as someone who would absolutely take him first overall if Denver ends up with that pick.

    Are we sure that he's a truly special QB? Or is he a good QB on a team that's had more talent (often times way more so) than the opposition on probably 30 of his 32 college starts. It's a lot easier to be a great QB when the players around you are just better than the guys they're going against. In the NFL those mismatches don't exist on that scale.

    In 32 college starts he's only ever had to drive his team down the field to win the game once. That was in the semi-final last year v Ohio State. He has no real history of having to be clutch when it counts, so can he do it in the big leagues?

    I'm not anti-Lawrence in any way. But I just don't think it's a slam dunk that he'll be a great NFL QB like is being assumed.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    We won't finish last. If we do, we got way more than one problem.
    Agreed �� lol

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  • CanDB
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    We won't finish last. If we do, we got way more than one problem.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Jonny_Quest View Post
    Tough choice if we end up with the #1 pick.

    - I don't feel like Trevor is as guaranteed as Luck was...also Luck ended up having a very short shelf-life so you never know

    - I'm a believer in Drew Lock. He seems to have "it" but we don't have enough games yet. A lot of young QBs look good until D Coordinators get enough tape on them.

    I'd probably try to trade the pick for a king's ransom. I'm guessing you could get 3 first rounders based on the Trevor hype. I'd prefer a team like the Jets that tend to be a case study in failure. Even with Trevor they're likely picking in the top 10 the next two years. That's a way of having our cake and eating it, too. Get a top OT and be in striking distance of a top QB for two more years. If Lock turns out to be legit we can build a dynasty with the additional picks. If he turns out to be a bust we have two more swings at the ball.
    He gotta stay healthy. I see a lot of people saying its all bc of the oline.....not all qbs in the nfl have great lines....Wilson , Watson, ryan....but still makes things happen. I'm just being honest most on here know I'm not a big fan of lock but I do want him to come back and finish this season healthy. Hopefully lock can prove ne wrong.

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  • Jonny_Quest
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    Tough choice if we end up with the #1 pick.

    - I don't feel like Trevor is as guaranteed as Luck was...also Luck ended up having a very short shelf-life so you never know

    - I'm a believer in Drew Lock. He seems to have "it" but we don't have enough games yet. A lot of young QBs look good until D Coordinators get enough tape on them.

    I'd probably try to trade the pick for a king's ransom. I'm guessing you could get 3 first rounders based on the Trevor hype. I'd prefer a team like the Jets that tend to be a case study in failure. Even with Trevor they're likely picking in the top 10 the next two years. That's a way of having our cake and eating it, too. Get a top OT and be in striking distance of a top QB for two more years. If Lock turns out to be legit we can build a dynasty with the additional picks. If he turns out to be a bust we have two more swings at the ball.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    I think we should stay away from Lawrence. I’m not all that impressed with him, something just feels off, maybe it’s his tendency to underthrow passes from time to time.Plus I don’t like lanky 6’6”+ QBs.
    again....i been saying that from a while....i think he will be ok....but next like some who say he is the next Andrew luck.

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