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  • Originally posted by nickmeyer
    Nobody I mean Nobody is going to give us their first rounder for a guy who is coming off of back surgery, that only played in 1 game at the begining of the year, gradted Trevor is good but the guys going in the first round have his ability and are young. We may if we are lucky get a 2nd rounder along with a 3rd or 4th.
    Even a 2nd is asking too much. You guys keep speaking as if Trevor is still an elite player.

    I don't think you (and others) are overestimating Trevor as much as you are underestimating the value of 1st day draft picks. Its not very often teams part with those, espescially for players in transition under circumstances similar to Trevor's. I think what will ultimately happen, is that Denver gets no takers, and just cuts him in June. It happens every year, last year Warner and Trotter were victims.
    Last edited by Paranoid; 02-18-2005, 01:17 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Paranoid
      Even a 2nd is asking too much. You guys keep speaking as if Trevor is still an elite player.

      I don't think you (and others) are overestimating Trevor as much as you are underestimating the value of 1st day draft picks. Its not very often teams part with those, espescially for players in transition under circumstances similar to Trevor's. I think what will ultimately happen, is that Denver gets no takers, and just cuts him in June. It happens every year, last year Warner and Trotter were victims.
      Some team will work a deal and pryce will become their Alfred Williams and help them make the leap to the next level and will be worth the "price" to them for a couple of years.

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      • Originally posted by Jrhampton
        Some team will work a deal and pryce will become their Alfred Williams and help them make the leap to the next level and will be worth the "price" to them for a couple of years.
        Yeah, that's exactly how I see it playing out. Good Luck to Trevor.

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        • I could see the Dallas Cowboys giving us one of their two 1st rounders because Parcels is at the end of his coaching career and he wants to see results right away. He would rather have an experienced healthy Pryce than a rookie who might take a few years to reach his potential.

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          • Originally posted by buchosiete
            I could see the Dallas Cowboys giving us one of their two 1st rounders because Parcels is at the end of his coaching career and he wants to see results right away. He would rather have an experienced healthy Pryce than a rookie who might take a few years to reach his potential.
            I doubt he does that. He just did that last year with Wiley and he is a bust. The Cowboys wont make any silly moves while they have so many cap problems stemming from their dynasty days. They will do it if they can get pryce on the cheap.

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            • Even a 2nd is asking too much. You guys keep speaking as if Trevor is still an elite player.

              I don't think you (and others) are overestimating Trevor as much as you are underestimating the value of 1st day draft picks. Its not very often teams part with those, espescially for players in transition under circumstances similar to Trevor's. I think what will ultimately happen, is that Denver gets no takers, and just cuts him in June. It happens every year, last year Warner and Trotter were victims.
              Teams value a #1 round pick MUCH MORE than Trevor. It's not even close! Just use your imagination for an instant and you'll see why: a draft pick is 23-24 years old and Trevor is 30, coming off back surgery. Can you imagine the fan's reaction when a team trades their # 1 pick for a guy who might have to retire in a couple years due to back problems? Instead of drafting a kid who might play for 10 years ? (Everyone's a "potential future hall of famer" on draft day, remember).

              NO-DICE.

              Trevor's value to Denver is much greater than any other team. Was Tampa Bay able to get a draft pick for John Lynch? Did San Diego get a draft pick for Rodney Harrison? Same situation here. Except that DL is the area of the Broncos greatest need and a Trevor's a team leader on defense. Now they have absolutely NOBODY on the DL who can generate consistent pressure (Hayward doesn't count -- he's definitely NOT an elite DL, there were 13 players with more sacks than him this year).

              The Broncos were asking for a "high draft pick" which was interpreted as a 1-3 rounder. Well, they just scaled back their expectations and according to the news source I posted above (from Miami Herald) they are asking a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Remember that TP was the last 1st round DL selected by the Broncos at the start of the Shanahan era.

              The DL is now going to be all mediocre, all the time. They hope to compensate by going to the 3-4 some of the time. I have no confidence at all that this is going to be an improvement because to run the 3-4 well, you need an elite nose tackle and the Broncos don't have one. Also with 10 teams going to the 3-4 some or all of the time this year, what chance do you think there is the best NT's will be taken by the time the Broncos pick?

              Me too.
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              • Whats up with Pryce?

                If anyone could tell me please what the trade talk for Pryce is such as what teams are interested and what might we get for him?

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                • Originally posted by Broncos#52
                  If anyone could tell me please what the trade talk for Pryce is such as what teams are interested and what might we get for him?
                  The reaon no one's updated this is that no-one knows. The Broncos are still shopping him. There's no word on whether any team has offered the team anything Shanahan would considrer taking or whether all trades are off.

                  If we hear nothing through the draft, then we're probably going to keep him until June 2, then cut him to save cap space, which would be sad.
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                  • I really believe we are holding him as our draft trump card. He at least allows us the possibility to move around on draft day. If we move him this far before the draft, other teams can make moves to counter ours if they believe we may take a player they want.

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                    • Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
                      I really believe we are holding him as our draft trump card. He at least allows us the possibility to move around on draft day. If we move him this far before the draft, other teams can make moves to counter ours if they believe we may take a player they want.
                      I think Pryce will be released. It's that simple. His contract wont interest many teams.

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                      • I can't imagine that there isn't a team out there that would offer a pick or a trade for Trevor. We will come away with something. The question remains, "exactly what are we going to get?"

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                        • His salary is not the only thing stopping a trade. He just came off of a injury. I think that is why teams are not jumping for him.

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                          • Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
                            I really believe we are holding him as our draft trump card. He at least allows us the possibility to move around on draft day. If we move him this far before the draft, other teams can make moves to counter ours if they believe we may take a player they want.
                            I hope you're right. But it's tough to know exactly what players Shanahan is targeting (good).

                            Everyone is saying the Broncos need a DL. But would you be surprised if Shanahan selected a WR or TE in Round #1 and got a DL in #2 or #3, etc.? It all depends on who's available. Plus, are the Broncos going to a 3-4 as the base D? Then maybe they want a NT who'll fit into that system.

                            It's all a psych game to keep other teams from guessing what player Shanahan wants -- a game he plays very well. The Broncos have better draft discipline than many teams.

                            After all, have YOU been able to predict who we're getting? I've been surprised by nearly every Broncos draft. Remember Darius Watts? Remember that people also said we'd take a DL last year, but NO!

                            I wouldn't be surprised at all if Shanahan didn't select a DL until the middle or later rounds. He's NOT going to take a guy just because he's the best available at DL and he needs DL. That's how we ended up with Marcus Nash and Shanahan has said he won't make that mistake again.
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                            • Originally posted by NZrichy
                              He is 30 so his best days are behind him imo, if Denver could get a 1st round pick I think its definately worth it.

                              Its hard when this happens, you want to keep players like Pryce who have always been Broncos but at $9mil I dont see the value.

                              As long as the deal allows us to upgrade then go for it.
                              By the way, whats your logic here? Lynch after 30 is great for Broncos? But Pryce after 30 is not good enough? The only reason for trading Pryce is that we simply cannot afford him. He will be doubly motivated to play great due to the trade.
                              Last edited by rush_limbaughII; 03-10-2005, 11:06 PM.

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                              • Ravage

                                Last year for the first time Mike Shanahan gave us a little insight into how he drafts. He was talking about the trade the Broncos made to get D.J. He said that they made a very select list of players that they thought carried an absolutely can't miss tag (D.J. was one of the last of those available and also was a position of need). He indicated that after that he chose simply best player available regardless of position. My memory gets a little fuzzy here but I believe that he said something about always being able to use or trade whoever you get.

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