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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by WYBRONCO View Post

    Excellent point. Elway didn't win Super Bowls until his Defense was outstanding in the regular season, and the Super Bowl. Brady is in this Super Bowl because his defense stepped up in the second half when Brady was average.

    Our Defense, healthy, resigned to full strength is pretty good. But Kelce, Hill, and Oakland's TE, kill us every time we play them. If you get someone that improves those three defensive coverage's and much better QB play, you have a division contender that makes the playoffs, and then who knows week to week there.
    Take away Rodgers and the Packers would be lucky to make the playoffs. For the millionth time, go look through SB championship history of at least the past 20 years, and 75% of the wins, which is considered to be team dynasty, are with an HOF QB under center. The few without are a flash in the pan.

    Yes, to win a Super Bowl, it takes a whole team. But, when you have a HOF capable QB, you can do it much easier, and you can do it year after year.

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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    Here's the problem in my opinion. You keep expending draft capital, and good capital at that for QBs, and you keep missing out on highly talented players in other positions. Someday you look back and realize that you used maybe a couple of firsts and maybe a few seconds, who never secured the job....all on QBs. And then you match those picks with pro bowlers, even all pros, and those players were available to us had we not kept searching for a QB.

    I think you are not for trading this year to acquire a good QB, which is fine, but at some point I would prefer to solidify and move on. I am not big on saying we can find a CB or LB or Edge or Oliner later in the draft, BECAUSE we used up yet another chunk of capital on a QB. I respect all positions, and therefore I say do your best to acquire your long term starter, and then spend the next years searching for top talent at every other position.
    The Broncos fans pine for the "dynasty" they knew under Pat Bowlen. Tell me what that dynasty really was. It wasn't the Brian Griese year. It wasn't Kyle Orton years. Hell, if it was Jake Plummer only, that wouldn't be considered a "dynasty". No, it was the Elway and Manning years. That HOF QB is the foundation of a dynasty. There's really no way around it. The infrequent, lightning in a bottle times that a team goes to the SB and wins with anything else is a flash in the pan.

    Now, which first round draft picks created a "dynasty" here, outside of the QBs I mentioned? None. Hell, even Miller needed a whole defense to help them squash Newton. Miller couldn't do it alone, and it only happened once. And, take away Manning, chances are that SB50 team wouldn't exist, and the Broncos would've been fighting to go 9-7 and win a wild card game on a good year. That's no dynasty. The Broncos have been using the "best player available" model more often than not, and it alone got them nowhere near being a dynasty without an HOF QB behind center. It's the closest thing to a failed model of building a team to dominate year after year.

    My point about drafting in the first round isn't throwing every single first round draft pick away on junk QBs. My point is (which I wrote in another post) to seek QB draft candidates that are considered top of their field, and worthy of top 10 draft picks. This year they have a #9 pick. That's way too close to the top draft QBs to piss away on some other position. Leverage that, trade up, and get one of the top 3-4 guys. Throw it away on "building your roster" for the future is nonsense, because without a QB capable of top of the league play, you're going nowhere.

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  • BroncoFanDK
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    Originally posted by qbronco View Post

    The past few years, the Broncos could barely score 20 points a game. Even when the defense held the opponent to 24 or less, the offense could not score enough points to win. I think there are playmakers on offense, but they need a better quarterback to get them to the 24 points you refer to in your post.
    Duuuh!

    We are not discussing the need for abetter QB than Lock - it is how to get him and what to pay! Basis is to win the SB the lecture of the last 20 years is that you pretty much have to have a cheap QB. Except for 2015 and this year SB has been won on rookie contracts and by Tom Brady taking millions less than ex. Peyton.

    Yes we need a better QB but you take an Alex Smith or the like and we do not have to suffer Lock. Interceptions and lost balls giving opponents short fields are killers. A Jake Plummer type would be brilliant. Lock for all the hype is one one of the worst starting QBs we have had for decades.

    Just to put things in perspective Elway in SB32 and Manning in SB50 and Tebow in the divisional round of 2011 were statistically on par. Strong supporting staff and defense is essential. Our defense underperforms at the moment because there is no way to make them feel like their effort will result in wins.

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  • WYBRONCO
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    One thing to consider is that the one time Rodgers got to the Super Bowl is when the Packers had a top ten defense.

    The offense does need to be more productive and that starts with the quarterback. The Broncos either need Lock to get better quickly or they need to find a better quarterback.

    They still need to get better elsewhere also.

    I believe I even heard that Brady has had a top ten defense supporting him in 9 of his 10 Super Bowl appearances, including the upcoming one.
    Excellent point. Elway didn't win Super Bowls until his Defense was outstanding in the regular season, and the Super Bowl. Brady is in this Super Bowl because his defense stepped up in the second half when Brady was average.

    Our Defense, healthy, resigned to full strength is pretty good. But Kelce, Hill, and Oakland's TE, kill us every time we play them. If you get someone that improves those three defensive coverage's and much better QB play, you have a division contender that makes the playoffs, and then who knows week to week there.

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  • broncolee
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    One thing to consider is that the one time Rodgers got to the Super Bowl is when the Packers had a top ten defense.

    The offense does need to be more productive and that starts with the quarterback. The Broncos either need Lock to get better quickly or they need to find a better quarterback.

    They still need to get better elsewhere also.

    I believe I even heard that Brady has had a top ten defense supporting him in 9 of his 10 Super Bowl appearances, including the upcoming one.

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