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  • #16
    Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
    It's not like he took pills or steroid injections that made him perform at a higher level. He still outplayed everyone that year BY FAR and should keep that Heisman for life.
    He broke the rules - a significant one I might add. I understand his on the field accomplishments, but none the less he violated the character and ethics of the NCAA.

    Again, that's not to say he made the wrong decision. I've still not been able to find anything that contradicts my understanding of what happened, and I don't blame him a bit.

    But he knew the rules and he broke the rules. We all make choices.

    Originally posted by Cahill View Post
    I understand that what he did off the field was against the rules but that doesn't change what he did on the field.
    It kind of does. It's not a "sometimes" thing. A person either does or doesn't fulfill the expectations of the NCAA. He... Did not.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Alastor View Post
      He broke the rules - a significant one I might add. I understand his on the field accomplishments, but none the less he violated the character and ethics of the NCAA.

      Again, that's not to say he made the wrong decision. I've still not been able to find anything that contradicts my understanding of what happened, and I don't blame him a bit.

      But he knew the rules and he broke the rules. We all make choices.



      It kind of does. It's not a "sometimes" thing. A person either does or doesn't fulfill the expectations of the NCAA. He... Did not.
      Well I don't have a lot of respect for the NCAA. They don't have a lot of class in my opinion. I am sure they were very happy when they were making millions of dollars off of Bush's jersey sales when he was in good standing at USC. If they were getting a cut of the perks themselves, they would be fine with it. AJ Green gets suspended for selling his own jersey but its okay for the NCAA to sell it and make money from it. It's dumb.

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      • #18
        Who actually thinks he cares? If I had some award from college that they wanted back while I sit on my millions of dollars and super bowl ring (and probably more) I would mail it to them myself and crap in the box. Screw the ncaa.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by theMileHighGuy View Post
          Who actually thinks he cares? If I had some award from college that they wanted back while I sit on my millions of dollars and super bowl ring (and probably more) I would mail it to them myself and crap in the box. Screw the ncaa.
          Hahahaha, you just made my day/morning.

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          • #20
            (from Wiki) The Heisman Trophy is awarded to the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. (I wondered how it was worded)

            If you Google "NCAA Sanctions Report USC" all 67 pages are right there. Interesting read. Bush got a car, rims, low rise tires, custom sound-with all the amounts spelled out. His mother and step-father got a rent free .5 mil house and many monetary gifts. Then many other family members of Bush lined up for money, the wanna be agents (one a felon) couldn't keep up with the money flow because their only client hadn't made a dime yet. Various members of his family also received trips and money for clothes. Reading the report leaves little doubt everybody knew it was wrong, they describe the routing of phone calls (to hide contacts) and money given to "handlers" to give to family members.

            Bush's mother was a supervisor for a state (I think child welfare) agency, I wonder about his background with her having (seemingly) a decent job.

            IMO Bush's family should have just said NO, Bush knew you didn't get free cars, and the "agents" should both have gone to prison (one did, on other charges). They would have all had lots of money in less that a year.

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            • #21
              I have to admit that the things like the pimp-mobile and other toys taint my view of Bush and diminish some of the points I tried to make in my original response.

              Originally posted by Portia11 View Post
              Bush's mother was a supervisor for a state (I think child welfare) agency, I wonder about his background with her having (seemingly) a decent job.
              This part I can speak to. State workers in those positions don't make crap until they've been there about 25 years, and even then it doesn't normally compete with entry-level positions in the private sector. This is especially true for a lady that has several children whose husband is trying to become a minister (who also don't make much, if anything).

              Also bear in mind that she didn't have this job at the time Reggie was young. It's entirely possible she only recently got that position.

              Yes, they were poor. That much I'm pretty sure of.

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              • #22
                what some people cant seem to grasp is it doesn't matter what he did that year because he rendered himself ineligible when he broke the rules.

                its just like when a guy is thinking about entering the draft early but isn't sure....once he talks to an agent he cannot play college football anymore.

                once bush accepted those gifts he should not have been allowed to play, that is why his existence at USC should be wiped out that year along with the Heisman.

                remember it isn't the NCAA's decision to take away his Heisman either, its the Heisman trust.

                also the argument that thr NCAA gets to make money and why shouldn't the players is valid until you start considering all the other student athletes that don't get paid either and wont get a potential huge contract coming out of college either.

                bush got a free ride in college for playing football, that was him getting paid.

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