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    Now that the dust has settled from Sunday's disasterous finish, it's time for Bronco fans to admit what the rest of us already know......the Josh McDaniels Era is over.

    Like the others before him, Josh McDaniels is nothing more than an over-rated assistant from the Bill Belichick/New England Patriots system.

    Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
    Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
    Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
    Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
    Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

    They are great coordinators under his system. But, they are incapable of leading an NFL team on their own. They try and mimick his ego and his style. What is natural for Belichick seems forced by his under-studies. Take Josh and his Hoodies - does anything scream Daddie Issues more than that? Josh is finally on his own, yet he yearns to be with/like his football father figure....so he dresses like him each week.

    But, the real issue for Josh is his attempt to have a "Belichick-like ego" fighting against his "desire to be liked by others". This was never more evident than last year when he lost the ego battle with Cutler and then intentionally divided the clubhouse. Drawing a line between "Shanahan's guys" and "McD's guys".

    He ran the likes of BMarsh, Hillis, and Schefer out of town. He did away with the heart-and-soul of the Broncos offense - the ZBS. He even made Mike Nolan decide to leave - after only one year as DC. The risk of these moves was losing all that talent (and, at the time, the #6 offense). The reward was having "his guys".

    Even Kyle Orton (who was the byproduct of a trade) fell victim. McD didn't view Orton as the long-term solution....therefore, Kyle wasn't given a long-term contract. In fact, Josh used 4 picks from the first four rounds last year to draft Tim Tebow.

    For most of us, we were at the scene of this train wreck before it happened. We warned Denver fans, but they wouldn't listen.

    Many of them have arrived to the scene - disgusted by what has become of their franchise. Being favored by 8 points and then losing by 45 points at home to the Raiders is enough for them.

    Still there are others who think that Josh just needs more time. More time to install his system. More time for Tebow to develop. One more offseason of picking up other team's free agents. One more draft.

    This thread is not about the Chargers problems this season.....so, save it.

    This thread is not about San Diego's "franchise"....so, save the trophy polishing.

    This thread is only about your team hitting rock bottom. The Darkest Days in Denver.

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    SD is 2-5, your point.

    You really think the Raiders are 45 points better. It's one of those fluky games, down 21-0 that early, oh well. At least we aren't giving games away like SD is every week.

    Also, we're missing a ton of key players on defense, McDaniels isn't going anywhere after this season, you can take that to the bank.
    Last edited by ERoyal248; 10-26-2010, 06:58 PM.

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    • #3
      My sig bet is doing great!!!!! Oh and Everyone was always calling for Shanny's head too. Lol cmon get real it's not even his 2nd year and half our starters & probowlers were injured. At least we didn't throw away a game where we were up like 20-3 against the Pats.
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      "Maybe if he had an iron suit or a magic hammer...."

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      • #4
        Eh, the beauty of the NFL is your fortunes can change overnight...just ask the Chiefs

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Boltheads
          Now that the dust has settled from Sunday's disasterous finish, it's time for Bronco fans to admit what the rest of us already know......the Josh McDaniels Era is over.

          Like the others before him, Josh McDaniels is nothing more than an over-rated assistant from the Bill Belichick/New England Patriots system.

          Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
          Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
          Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
          Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
          Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

          They are great coordinators under his system. But, they are incapable of leading an NFL team on their own. They try and mimick his ego and his style. What is natural for Belichick seems forced by his under-studies. Take Josh and his Hoodies - does anything scream Daddie Issues more than that? Josh is finally on his own, yet he yearns to be with/like his football father figure....so he dresses like him each week.

          But, the real issue for Josh is his attempt to have a "Belichick-like ego" fighting against his "desire to be liked by others". This was never more evident than last year when he lost the ego battle with Cutler and then intentionally divided the clubhouse. Drawing a line between "Shanahan's guys" and "McD's guys".

          He ran the likes of BMarsh, Hillis, and Schefer out of town. He did away with the heart-and-soul of the Broncos offense - the ZBS. He even made Mike Nolan decide to leave - after only one year as DC. The risk of these moves was losing all that talent (and, at the time, the #6 offense). The reward was having "his guys".

          Even Kyle Orton (who was the byproduct of a trade) fell victim. McD didn't view Orton as the long-term solution....therefore, Kyle wasn't given a long-term contract. In fact, Josh used 4 picks from the first four rounds last year to draft Tim Tebow.

          For most of us, we were at the scene of this train wreck before it happened. We warned Denver fans, but they wouldn't listen.

          Many of them have arrived to the scene - disgusted by what has become of their franchise. Being favored by 8 points and then losing by 45 points at home to the Raiders is enough for them.

          Still there are others who think that Josh just needs more time. More time to install his system. More time for Tebow to develop. One more offseason of picking up other team's free agents. One more draft.

          This thread is not about the Chargers problems this season.....so, save it.

          This thread is not about San Diego's "franchise"....so, save the trophy polishing.

          This thread is only about your team hitting rock bottom. The Darkest Days in Denver.
          It's pretty simple, Bowlen gambled on the next Mike Shanahan, or John Gruden...a young guy that was going to grow into the job.

          The problem is, Bowlen, in his wisdom, fired Jim Goodman and gave the GM job to Brian Zanders, which was the equivalent of handing the company business over to a couple of frat boys.

          Ridiculous decision by Bowlen.

          McDaniels was hired initially with the understanding he would be working for Goodman, then Bowlen went and fired Goodman and turned everything over to Josh...even the coach/GM situation is the same, only now Ted Sundquist is Brian Xanders, a defacto GM

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Boltheads
            Now that the dust has settled from Sunday's disasterous finish, it's time for Bronco fans to admit what the rest of us already know......the Josh McDaniels Era is over.

            Like the others before him, Josh McDaniels is nothing more than an over-rated assistant from the Bill Belichick/New England Patriots system.

            Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
            Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
            Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
            Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
            Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

            They are great coordinators under his system. But, they are incapable of leading an NFL team on their own. They try and mimick his ego and his style. What is natural for Belichick seems forced by his under-studies. Take Josh and his Hoodies - does anything scream Daddie Issues more than that? Josh is finally on his own, yet he yearns to be with/like his football father figure....so he dresses like him each week.

            But, the real issue for Josh is his attempt to have a "Belichick-like ego" fighting against his "desire to be liked by others". This was never more evident than last year when he lost the ego battle with Cutler and then intentionally divided the clubhouse. Drawing a line between "Shanahan's guys" and "McD's guys".

            He ran the likes of BMarsh, Hillis, and Schefer out of town. He did away with the heart-and-soul of the Broncos offense - the ZBS. He even made Mike Nolan decide to leave - after only one year as DC. The risk of these moves was losing all that talent (and, at the time, the #6 offense). The reward was having "his guys".

            Even Kyle Orton (who was the byproduct of a trade) fell victim. McD didn't view Orton as the long-term solution....therefore, Kyle wasn't given a long-term contract. In fact, Josh used 4 picks from the first four rounds last year to draft Tim Tebow.

            For most of us, we were at the scene of this train wreck before it happened. We warned Denver fans, but they wouldn't listen.

            Many of them have arrived to the scene - disgusted by what has become of their franchise. Being favored by 8 points and then losing by 45 points at home to the Raiders is enough for them.

            Still there are others who think that Josh just needs more time. More time to install his system. More time for Tebow to develop. One more offseason of picking up other team's free agents. One more draft.

            This thread is not about the Chargers problems this season.....so, save it.

            This thread is not about San Diego's "franchise"....so, save the trophy polishing.

            This thread is only about your team hitting rock bottom. The Darkest Days in Denver
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            We know our team hit rock bottom we don't need you to tell us that, you on the other hand don't seem to want to accept the same for your team thus the fact that you don't want to have anyone discussing your issues.

            That said on topic of the thread yes, McD is hoodie Jr. and he is in a class of great coordinators under bellicheat who are incapable of coaching a team for themselves and the sooner we get Jon Gruden in Denver the better.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Freyaka
              We know our team hit rock bottom we don't need you to tell us that, you on the other hand don't seem to want to accept the same for your team thus the fact that you don't want to have anyone discussing your issues.
              The Chargers issues are already being discussed..........

              (see here) http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=175750


              This is more about the end of the Josh McDaniels era in Denver. Which few people seem to want to discuss besides yourself.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Boltheads
                The Chargers issues are already being discussed..........

                (see here) http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=175750


                This is more about the end of the Josh McDaniels era in Denver. Which few people seem to want to discuss besides yourself.
                I think if you left the smack forum it might suprise you...Josh McDaniels is not only losing his locker room he's losing the fan base rapidly. One more division loss like than one and nothing short of the playoffs will save him. I've fervently defended him and his actions since day one but I'm done and I know I'm not the only one hopping off the McD Failtrain express...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Boltheads
                  For most of us, we were at the scene of this train wreck before it happened. We warned Denver fans, but they wouldn't listen.
                  Yeah. I'm sure you guys had our team's best interest at heart

                  You guys would have lambasted whatever coach that was hired and put in place. Even if you may have been right on this one
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Freyaka
                    I think if you left the smack forum it might suprise you...Josh McDaniels is not only losing his locker room he's losing the fan base rapidly.
                    Oh, I've been over to the GD....I know what is going on. Unfortunately, there is no way for me to have a reasonable conversation over there.....and I get that. The last thing a Denver fan wants to hear right now is "I told you so". However, there are a few that hang around here that still want to discuss it.....thankfully!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Boltheads
                      Oh, I've been over to the GD....I know what is going on. Unfortunately, there is no way for me to have a reasonable conversation over there.....and I get that. The last thing a Denver fan wants to hear right now is "I told you so". However, there are a few that hang around here that still want to discuss it.....thankfully!
                      Yea it's hard talking in GD I will give you that, It's sad when there about 100 times more trolls in GD than there are in the smack forum and you have to come to the smack forum for fun and enjoyable conversations.....


                      It's not that I don't think McD has done a lot of good things because I do, I just think he knows nothing about how to treat his players or how to judge talent at any position beyond QB.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Freyaka
                        Yea it's hard talking in GD I will give you that, It's sad when there about 100 times more trolls in GD than there are in the smack forum and you have to come to the smack forum for fun and enjoyable conversations.....
                        Trust me....if EITHER the Chargers or the Broncos start winning.....the trolls will find their way here.

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                        • #13
                          pffft! Haven't you heard? were gonna rip off 9 W's in a row and win this division!:thumb: ya, sure we are
                          I really like Cheese.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by darth-hideous
                            pffft! Haven't you heard? were gonna rip off 9 W's in a row and win this division!:thumb: ya, sure we are
                            If this happens, I will uncontrollably laugh until I crap my pants, and then buy you a beer. You'll just have to deal with the odor.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Boltheads
                              Bill Belichick/New England Patriots system.

                              Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
                              Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
                              Both of those are from Bill Parcell's coaching tree.

                              Not from Bill Belichick.
                              The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

                              The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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