Lukewarm starting debut for Tebow

[TH3JUICEMAN]

LMAO, this guy hardly every slid in college and he won't be sliding any time soon. This is why his career will probably be over in the NFL if he continues on this same path. He is NOT a drop back passer, plain and simple. It will take him years to learn how to drop back and fire the ball quickly, something he NEVER did in college. He's a scrambler, like Vick, less the quickness, footwork, and speed of release. The Broncos coaching staff, if Tebow is going to be their starter, need to develop a special "run first, pass second" system like the system he was in all throughout college. These types of "system packages" specially designed for Tebow will be the ONLY way he can succeed in the NFL, that is if the Broncos want to completely change their offense to adapt to Tebow and not the other way around.

Yet Michael Vick NEVER SLIDES! Vicks major flaw use to be his passing (inaccurate/looked to run first), and that he always ran the ball. Now he is both a pocket passer and a running QB and he is succeding. Who is to say that Tebow can't do the same? He may or may not but you can't assume he won't. Vick is also in the run for MVP along with Brady (where is Rivers in this conversation? LMAO!).

Tebow can run, he's big enough to take the hits. Will he get injured? At some point he probably will if he run's the ball 10-15 times a game, but I also don't think he's going to be running it 10-15 times a game.

Tebows unique traits (ability to run and pass) are what makes him special. How many QB's in the league have that ability? Not many, which makes him unique.

The fact that Tebow remains a mystery scares you Doltman, you witnessed his first start hoping for utter failure yet it was a success. Inspite of your prayers he succeded in his first start.

Will he be as good as Rivers? Who the heck knows! You nor I know, but it is a possibility that he becomes great, or a complete and utter failure.

Sit back and enjoy the show Doltman, and prepare to be embarassed by Tebow in week 17.

[DishWater]

Dont think so. Rivers team won his debut. Tebow's team lost his. Sorry but you are judged in this league more by Win's & Losses.

You think you would have learned this from your past debate's with Cutler.

Oh, of course, he still lost the game. Everybody knew--even us diehards--we were going to lose. Happy?

Point is it wasn't on Tebow.

Orton would have lost by 40 (actually, he did).

[BGMACN]

Yet Michael Vick NEVER SLIDES! Vicks major flaw use to be his passing (inaccurate/looked to run first), and that he always ran the ball. Now he is both a pocket passer and a running QB and he is succeding. Who is to say that Tebow can't do the same? He may or may not but you can't assume he won't. Vick is also in the run for MVP along with Brady (where is Rivers in this conversation? LMAO!).

Tebow can run, he's big enough to take the hits. Will he get injured? At some point he probably will if he run's the ball 10-15 times a game, but I also don't think he's going to be running it 10-15 times a game.

Tebows unique traits (ability to run and pass) are what makes him special. How many QB's in the league have that ability? Not many, which makes him unique.

The fact that Tebow remains a mystery scares you Doltman, you witnessed his first start hoping for utter failure yet it was a success. Inspite of your prayers he succeded in his first start.

Will he be as good as Rivers? Who the heck knows! You nor I know, but it is a possibility that he becomes great, or a complete and utter failure.

Sit back and enjoy the show Doltman, and prepare to be embarassed by Tebow in week 17.

Rivers with 2 more wins would be in that conversation and has all year long..Get your facts strait donk...
Secondly, you want to put a sig bet on that week 17 hot garbage you spewed??

[Hoserman117]

I'm not sure if I totally buy the whole "he won't last taking hits" kinda thing.

If you look around, a lot of QB's get the hell smacked out of them, and they aren't built anything like Tebow. Favre lasted forever taking an absurd beating and he always stayed in because he's tough.

Face it, a lot of QB's aren't tough. A lot of QB's can't play with injuries your average running back plays through.

Ben Roethlisberger is tough, Brett Favre is tough, Steve McNair was tough. They play with injuries that would sideline the majority of QB's. Philip Rivers takes nasty injuries, and as much as I hate him, he's really tough.

Tebow is simply tough. He won't miss games unless his arm is broken in half. His athletic ability allows him to miss as many hits as it does get him into hits. How many times has Orton gotten completely drilled on plays where Tebow could have avoided the rush and thrown a deep pass?

All of Tebow's runs yesterday were called QB draws. It won't be like that forever. Tebow will use his athleticism to buy him time to throw. Yes he'll take off time to time, but he's not running 10 times a game for the rest of his career.

[DarkHorse26]

Dude, your 1 in a million. As you can see a VAST majority of delusional Tebowmaniacs flood this board going so far as saying (and implying) Tebow is the next Elway and will be even better than Elway (and Rivers) because of his 0-1 start and how he ran and passed and his passer rating for his very first start. I realize how excited donk fans are (and have been) about Tebow in a donkey uniform considering how horrible things have been for Bronco fans. Tebow is their last and only hope of saving the franchise (so it seems), the Broncos last ditch effort, grasping at his jock strap for even just a sniff.

Here's the issue: Donkey fans have elevated and overrated so many draft picks and FA's the past 5 years that have turned into flops its hard to believe donk fans anymore. Since the face of the Broncos franchise retired Bronco fans have been all talk and no walk concerning the playoffs and now, as of late, the regular season. What I'm saying is quit the hype already and just wait and see. That does not mean don't be excited for something fresh and new, just don't be so delusional about it.

Lets face it, Tebow has a lot of critics who don't believe that he'll make it in the NFL as a QB for some very viable reasons. These are not just some shmuck opinions, these are opinions from draft experts and coaches, etc. who have studied lots of film on Tebow before the draft. We all know he's a good person, has passion, and likes to work hard and is very competitive (wants to win) but that is no reason to glaze over reality and think that those intangibles and character traits will guarantee his success in the NFL.
Is Tebow the ONLY NFL player that has ever been drafted with those types of intangibles and so his success is a LOCK?

Regardless of his intangibles, there are two irrefutable tangibles that will prevent Tebow from becoming a great QB in the NFL:

1) Running (guaranteed he will get hurt, just a matter of time)
2) Release (slow, cumbersome release resulting in sacks and interceptions)

Unless Tebow learns to become primarily a passer he won't last long in the NFL. Unless Tebow learns to release the ball faster and get his footwork down he'll become just another int machine and eventually get kicked to the curb as 2nd or 3rd string QB

I am a Broncos fan first and foremost and was not particularly excited with the Tebow pick. Now that I look back on it, I am pretty sure I had some select expletives for my t.v. when it went down. However with all that being said, Tebow impressed me on many levels last week. He single handedly kept us in the game when our Defense, if you can even call it that, was giving away the game at every turn and our running game once again went into hibernation.

Tebow kept all of his teammates pumped up and energized to the effect that they were protecting him on the field like he was a family member. He continued to make plays and fought for every inch that the Raiders would give him. All of which was done on one week’s practice with the first team Offense.

Sure he made mistakes and will need to try avoiding contact better. Say what you want but he was polarizing to watch and I could not wait to see what he was going to do next on every snap. I for one cannot wait to see what he will mold into as an NFL QB. And yes, as far as I am concerned, he has shown that he has what it takes to be an NFL QB. He will only learn from every game he plays in and get better from this point on because it appears to me that that is how he plays the game.

[Hoserman117]

Also, Rivers won his debut on a really good team against a POS Raiders team, 27-0.

The defense was incredible, Rivers had been sitting on the bench for 2 years, and was only asked to throw 11 passes.

Tebow was starting for a terrible 3-10 team against the Raiders fighting for a playoff spot in his rookie season. There really is no comparison between the two starts.

[jaycuthroat]

Dont think so. Rivers team won his debut. Tebow's team lost his. Sorry but you are judged in this league more by Win's & Losses.

You think you would have learned this from your past debate's with Cutler.

o so sanchez is better than rivers? cause ya know he has a better record this season?

[NFLfan..MLBzzzz]

o so sanchez is better than rivers? cause ya know he has a better record this season?

The ? Was who had the better debut. If you ask Tebow I bet he'd say he would have rather had Rivers debut #s and outcome. Rivers had almost a 10 yard YPA and had only 3 incompletions. Tebow made a couple good throws but nothing that could keep his team in the game and completed just 50% of his passes. You better hope that improves cause he's gonna get killed if he keeps trying to win games with his legs.

[BGMACN]

The ? Was who had the better debut. If you ask Tebow I bet he'd say he would have rather had Rivers debut #s and outcome. Rivers had almost a 10 yard YPA and had only 3 incompletions. Tebow made a couple good throws but nothing that could keep his team in the game and completed just 50% of his passes. You better hope that improves cause he's gonna get killed if he keeps trying to win games with his legs.

Fact.... He needs to be more like big ben noseburger..

[canadiansbronco]

You better hope that improves cause he's gonna get killed if he keeps trying to win games with his legs.

He did not try to win with his legs the stupid coaching staff did :thumb:

[BOLTMAN-1]

Tebows unique traits (ability to run and pass) are what makes him special. How many QB's in the league have that ability? Not many, which makes him unique.

Corrected (homer-free version):

Tebows unique traits (ability to run and pass) in college is what made him special. How many NFL QB's bring the run-pass game to the NFL and are successful at it? Not many, which makes it a unique project to see if his run-pass trait translates into the same success at the NFL level.

This is a much much better and more accurate take. What you are trying to do is feed some BS donkwash to this board that Tebow (as an NFL player) has essentially arrived by saying that after just 1 game suddenly:

1) He's a special NFL QB
2) Has has special NFL QB abilities
3) He is a unique NFL QB because he runs and throws

The fact that Tebow remains a mystery scares you Doltman, you witnessed his first start hoping for utter failure yet it was a success. Inspite of your prayers he succeded in his first start.

No, he just had an OK game and got lucky on a jump ball that would have easily been, and should have been, intercepted by any other defender in this league. There is nothing mysterious about Tebow. He's a funny looking akward QB with a very slow release and horrible footwork who cannot drop back and fire the ball down the field without scrambling around first, or stay in the pocket and make deliveries. He succeeded on just a handful of plays and that's it. He got a lucky TD in the first half (pass) and he rushed for a 40 yard TD. Tebow's passer rating in the 1st half was 121.4. Not bad considering the spoiled field position afforded him starting on the Oakland 26 (from an interception) and the Oakland 32 (from a fumble). Please, take his ass in his own side and he's way below average. Not once did he drive the field from the Broncos side into the end zone.

Suddenly, he was horrible in the 2nd half and didn't do a damn thing truly meaningful but lead the Broncos to a couple 3 point FG's. The Raiders shut his ass down and his rating fell to a sub-par 77.6. He didn't do squat against the Raiders in the 2nd half. Take a look at the game book if you think I'm making this up. One thing to look at that is of interesting note is his 3rd down conversions when the ball was in his hands. Between Rushing, passing, and getting sacked the Broncos offense called his number and he utterly FAILED on 9 separate 3rd down occasions which 8 of the 9 All resulted in PUNTS except for 1 which was a FG. He was completely unreliable and could not drive the field at all for a TD (unless he started deep into the Raiders side). Just look at the Time of Possession, Broncos 26 minutes, Raiders 34 minutes. No wonder the Broncos defense could not stop they Raiders, they were gassed having to constantly run out on the field after TEBOW's constantly 3rd down failures after scoring those first 2 TD's.
Get back to reality donk fans, Tebow SUCKED DONK after those 2 TD's and you know it.

Will he be as good as Rivers? Who the heck knows! You nor I know, but it is a possibility that he becomes great, or a complete and utter failure.

The way things have gone for Bronco QB's unless he turns out to be equal to that of Elway he won't amount to anything at all, nope, nada, zilch, zippo, nothing special...traded away for a REAL passing QB who is $$ on 3rd downs (which is where Elway made his money). Seriously, get your head out of the sand and wake up and stop trying to force Tebow into a role he'll never fit into in the NFL.

Sit back and enjoy the show Doltman, and prepare to be embarassed by Tebow in week 17.

LMAO, Tebow, if he doesn't watch it will end up getting his ass hurt and taken out of the game. I don't wish injury on any player but it is inevitable he won't last long trying to run the ball ESPECIALLY against the Chargers defense. He will get hurt, mark my words. Why would the coaches turn him lose on the Chargers defense where he could get a concussion or a career ending injury?

[BOLTMAN-1]

I am a Broncos fan first and foremost and was not particularly excited with the Tebow pick. Now that I look back on it, I am pretty sure I had some select expletives for my t.v. when it went down. However with all that being said, Tebow impressed me on many levels last week. He single handedly kept us in the game when our Defense, if you can even call it that, was giving away the game at every turn and our running game once again went into hibernation.

Tebow kept all of his teammates pumped up and energized to the effect that they were protecting him on the field like he was a family member. He continued to make plays and fought for every inch that the Raiders would give him. All of which was done on one week’s practice with the first team Offense.

Sure he made mistakes and will need to try avoiding contact better. Say what you want but he was polarizing to watch and I could not wait to see what he was going to do next on every snap. I for one cannot wait to see what he will mold into as an NFL QB. And yes, as far as I am concerned, he has shown that he has what it takes to be an NFL QB. He will only learn from every game he plays in and get better from this point on because it appears to me that that is how he plays the game.

You need to study the game book sir. If it wasn't for your defense the Broncos may have been shut out of the end zone the whole game. The Broncos defense handed the ball twice to Tebow DEEP in Raider territory and Tebow capitalized on that with a 40 yd TD run and a very lucky jump ball that should have been intercepted (and would have been 99.9% of the time) the way that play went down.

Further study of the game book reveals Tebow failed the rest of the way to move the chains on 3rd downs when he was called on. I said in my post above on 9 separate occasions. You are blaming your defense but come on, Tebow not once sustained a single long drive from the Broncos side of the field to give your defense a rest. You cannot blame the defense when they were out there constantly on account of Tebow NOT converting all those third downs when the ball was in his hands.

[gorky]

Boltman riddle me this.

How is it that Tebow is going to have a short career?

Every QB has a Bullseye on thier chests. PR does whether you like it or not.

Every time a QB, goes back to pass, there is a good chance that they get blindsided by a 300+ pound defensive lineman.

So, personally, I prefer Tebow running and bracing for impact. You can have your QB that mostly stands there. Just don't cringe every time a huge man barrels down on PR from behind. (Because only running QB's have career ending injuries. )

[canadiansbronco]

keep hating see you week 17:thumb:

[NFLfan..MLBzzzz]

keep hating see you week 17:thumb:

Is Tebow gonna play defense too??? I really doubt the Chargers are worried about the Broncos in week 17. I'm sure they are worried more if the Raiders show up to play KC in week 17.