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yes the chargers got knocked out of the playoffs but.....
it took the chiefs how many years? it didn't just happen over night. they got the players and the coaches needed to be successful and it wasn't just in one off season.
the broncos could put together a great coaching staff and make some great moves in the off season and in the draft and be a contender next year.
but i don't see it happening, very unlikely. its rebuilding time.
as far as the chargers go, they will compete for the division and a playoff spot every year because they have the team in place to do so.
its not like the chargers are a bad team, their worst enemy is themselves. they are very capable of playing with anybody, they are unfortunately just as capable of falling on their faces as well.
Why, because you say so.
Our offense for the most is set aside from a pass catching TE. The OL is young, but very talented. Clady will be 100% next year, Beadles/Walton won't be rookies, Kuper is solid, and hopefully we keep Harris.
We have one of the top WR units in the league. Lloyd has emerged as one of the top big play WR's in the league, Gaffney is solid, Royal when they get him the ball makes big plays, Demaryius when he is on the field is very electric, and Decker has made some nice catches as of late.
I like Moreno, and think he'll explode next year. I'd like a #2 RB to go with Moreno, a speed back. Maybe Sproles if SD doesn't keep him.
Tebow has showed some potential in 2 games.
The defense needs work. LB is a strong unit with Dumervil back next year, and the DL needs some major work, and secondary could be rebuilt. I'd say 2 years at most to rebuild this defense. Just need to hit on the picks.
it took the chiefs how many years? it didn't just happen over night. they got the players and the coaches needed to be successful and it wasn't just in one off season.
the broncos could put together a great coaching staff and make some great moves in the off season and in the draft and be a contender next year.
but i don't see it happening, very unlikely. its rebuilding time.
as far as the chargers go, they will compete for the division and a playoff spot every year because they have the team in place to do so.
its not like the chargers are a bad team, their worst enemy is themselves. they are very capable of playing with anybody, they are unfortunately just as capable of falling on their faces as well.
2 years for the chiefs. and once they had assembled a good coaching staff with the "holy trinity" of haley/romeo/weiss it was pretty much go from there
Atlanta and baltimore were coming off 10+ loss seasons and hired smith and harbaugh.... playoffs immediately and look at them now
hell, even the rams went from 1-15 and one of the worst teams ever fielded to one playing for a playoff spot this sunday coming.
So you never know, we could be bad or we could turn things around. watch this space.
You're right, they aren't a bad team by any means. but what you are saying is precisely my point. You can bring new players and staff in when things have gone very poorly. However, you can't draft yourselves out of beating yourselves, especially when you have the talent there. Change of staff maybe but i dunno if Norv will be gone and i think the problem runs deeper than him at any rate.
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The Chargers were founded in 1960, so they've only been a franchise for 51 years.
Chargers: 6 "good" seasons.
Broncos: 6 Super Bowls.
It's just as you said. I stand corrected. My bad.
so you are including the AFL years then? the chargers won an AFL championship in 1963 and again, the chargers have been to just as many playoffs as the broncos and have won 5 more division titles.
that is a lot more competitive seasons than just 6 lol
not sure what you are trying to prove here but you are not doing that great of a job so far.
poor baphy, he's butt hurt about his Chargers so he comes in here trying to bum us out.
Not gonna work fella because of one undeniable truth: it is better to be a Bronco fan during our worst year than a Charger fan during their best.
actually i wasn't going to say anything originally, just like i didn't say much when your team continued its downward spiral.
but if there is one thing that always brings the smack out of me, its the fans of a trash team that act like their team just won the superbowl because their most hated rival lost.
look at all the garbage being spewed here in the smack forum, its clear you guys are just trying to revert attention away from your team and i had to balance it out a little bit.
It does suck to be going through one of our worst seasons ever.
Saw a fun fact the other day... the Broncos are the ONLY franchise to never have suffered a 12 loss season.
That's the largest reason I'd like a win this week. That's a cool little point of pride.
It does suck watching this season. This is not a team that is used to being bad.
I'm glad I root for a team where this IS considered one of the worst seasons.
There is no evidence at this point that we will be 'years in the cellar'. Baseless smack. Boring.
It's good to see the Raiders and Chiefs competitive again. Good to see the division competitive as a whole again.
The 5 year stretch of the Chargers looking good coincided with the other three franchises being a little down. It'll be interesting to see what things look like all around next year.
I'm still proud to be a Broncos fan though. Where 4 or 5 wins is a low point. 4 wins in a season sucks. (It's happened 8 times at a quick glance to the Chargers, btw)
2 years for the chiefs. and once they had assembled a good coaching staff with the "holy trinity" of haley/romeo/weiss it was pretty much go from there
Atlanta and baltimore were coming off 10+ loss seasons and hired smith and harbaugh.... playoffs immediately and look at them now
hell, even the rams went from 1-15 and one of the worst teams ever fielded to one playing for a playoff spot this sunday coming.
So you never know, we could be bad or we could turn things around. watch this space.
You're right, they aren't a bad team by any means. but what you are saying is precisely my point. You can bring new players and staff in when things have gone very poorly. However, you can't draft yourselves out of beating yourselves, especially when you have the talent there. Change of staff maybe but i dunno if Norv will be gone and i think the problem runs deeper than him at any rate.
i am not saying it cant be done but its unlikely. i could make an argument for each example you used as to why they were in better shape than the broncos are going into next year.
if tebow was more of a sure thing then i think your chances would be better.
Our offense for the most is set aside from a pass catching TE. The OL is young, but very talented. Clady will be 100% next year, Beadles/Walton won't be rookies, Kuper is solid, and hopefully we keep Harris.
We have one of the top WR units in the league. Lloyd has emerged as one of the top big play WR's in the league, Gaffney is solid, Royal when they get him the ball makes big plays, Demaryius when he is on the field is very electric, and Decker has made some nice catches as of late.
I like Moreno, and think he'll explode next year. I'd like a #2 RB to go with Moreno, a speed back. Maybe Sproles if SD doesn't keep him.
Tebow has showed some potential in 2 games.
The defense needs work. LB is a strong unit with Dumervil back next year, and the DL needs some major work, and secondary could be rebuilt. I'd say 2 years at most to rebuild this defense. Just need to hit on the picks.
yeah because i said so, just like i told you one of your main problems was losing nolan and how he carried MCD. unless you still honestly believe that missing elvis is why you have arguably the worst defense in the NFL and not a top 5 squad when nolan was there lol
oh by the way he has Miami's defense where he left Denver's...top 5 lol
i know you will be nothing but optimistic for your team and nothing but pessimistic about my team but honestly, your team is in bad shape right now.
most of this post is just wishful thinking on your part, saying guys will be 100% healthy or saying tebow has potential is exactly that....wishful thinking.
As a point to baph, you were the one that said Chargers had 6 good seasons not Alastor, so you're arguing with yourself. So both teams have been to the playoffs the same amount of times yet Broncos have had 6 superbowl appearances while Chargers have had one? Plus Broncos won 2 while Chargers won none. Again tell us what there is not to smack about? We've done more with the same amount so you're just re-affirming that the Chargers are chokers lol.
sigpicAn intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend any amount of time with a Cowboys fan. ~ John Riggins
Have gotten worse in each of the last 4 seasons....how's that taste?
At least I knew my team would be bad going into the year.
you knew your team would be one of the worst in the NFL? the chargers had to miss the playoffs some time. also, the chargers have not gotten worse in each of the last 4 seasons.
last time i checked 8-8 < 13-3
that's just your classic case of cherry picking an argument that has absolutely no bearing on the future.
As a point to baph, you were the one that said Chargers had 6 good seasons not Alastor, so you're arguing with yourself. So both teams have been to the playoffs the same amount of times yet Broncos have had 6 superbowl appearances while Chargers have had one? Plus Broncos won 2 while Chargers won none. Again tell us what there is not to smack about? We've done more with the same amount so you're just re-affirming that the Chargers are chokers lol.
PS: 6 seasons out of 60. Nice ratio. You've had the same amount of "good" seasons as we have Super Bowl appearances.
Have a nice day.
i just said the chargers have been competitive the last 6 seasons, which is clearly not the only seasons they have been competitive in their history like he is implying.
especially if you consider the AFL years as well. since he mentioned "1960" i have to assume he was including those years as well.
haha yeah I know, think he was just being funny tho using your words. But again what is your response to the choking? Anything? I can't hear you! Oh you'll probably just say that was light years ago and you're completely satisfied with your PAST division titles and such....Or you might say what my husband says "Superbowl, Shmuperbowl" lol!
sigpicAn intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend any amount of time with a Cowboys fan. ~ John Riggins
yeah because i said so, just like i told you one of your main problems was losing nolan and how he carried MCD. unless you still honestly believe that missing elvis is why you have arguably the worst defense in the NFL and not a top 5 squad when nolan was there lol
oh by the way he has Miami's defense where he left Denver's...top 5 lol
i know you will be nothing but optimistic for your team and nothing but pessimistic about my team but honestly, your team is in bad shape right now.
most of this post is just wishful thinking on your part, saying guys will be 100% healthy or saying tebow has potential is exactly that....wishful thinking.
Nolan had this defense playing like absolute crap the last 6+ games, and Oakland/KC ran for 200+ on us, he was such a genius.
Oh, and no i don't think Elvis is the main reason our defense sucks, but we would have 6-7 wins with Elvis imo. He's a big loss.
I don't think this team is in horrendous shape, just need to work on the defense.
But i have confidence we won't be in the cellar for the years to come. We'll see how it plays out.
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poor baphy, he's butt hurt about his Chargers so he comes in here trying to bum us out. 
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