Charger player ranked #1 on ESPN list

[jcdavey]

Don't get me wrong, Leaf was a MAJOR bust but I don't think you could qualify him as a bigger bust, literally and figuratively speaking, than JaWalrus!

based on stats + draft position, leaf's the worst lol

[jhildebrand]

Don't get me wrong, Leaf was a MAJOR bust but I don't think you could qualify him as a bigger bust, literally and figuratively speaking, than JaWalrus!

[Joshecalpoly]

We are arguing about a list made a year ago of course weve had this discussion heck after having one of the most patient men in the world quit as your life coach and no teams wanting him Russell not making the list should be an indication of how old it is.

[Axemaster]

I remember Leaf when he was going into the draft. My memory isnt very good but I think i remember them saying he threw a better deep ball and had better physical traits than Manning. QB is a crap shoot especially that high in the draft. you seem to have recovered with Brees and Rivers tho.

They did, but I thought he was going to be a superstar also, so I fell into the trap.

[jcdavey]

And yet SD is still the only team in the division with a franchise QB. Whats that say about the rest of the division then???

i think it can be argued that denver and oakland may not have a franchise qb yet

but with what cassell did last year, i'd be apt to slide his name toward the franchise part more than not

he put up some nice numbers, and despite not getting to the playoffs in NE the year he started, he did go 10-5....not too shabby at all IMO, and that was with an oline that year in NE that was trying to get him killed, and an oline who did get brady killed


i'd say cut cassell some slack.....

[NFLfan..MLBzzzz]

Yeah, "traded" was a slip-up in my wording. Forgot, you just let him walk out the door.

And there was a time I thought L.T. was the better acquisition, but then he done wo out, and now Vick is one of the best QB's in the league.

It happens -- it's just ironic that two franchise quarterbacks have been passed on by the Chargers SINCE they jumped all over themselves to get Leaf.

And yet SD is still the only team in the division with a franchise QB. Whats that say about the rest of the division then???

[kishzilla]

Offseason on an NFL forum during a lockout = little if any topics of contention.






I just hope it doesn't devolve into the Chargers boards

[InsaneBlaze23]

I swear we've argued about this already.

We've argued about Leaf, Russell, Moss,etc like 50 times or more on these boards. Every time someone sees something new(or something we have yet to see) we will make a thread on it.

[12and4]

I swear we've argued about this already.

[jcdavey]

Yeah, "traded" was a slip-up in my wording. Forgot, you just let him walk out the door.

And there was a time I thought L.T. was the better acquisition, but then he done wo out, and now Vick is one of the best QB's in the league.

It happens -- it's just ironic that two franchise quarterbacks have been passed on by the Chargers SINCE they jumped all over themselves to get Leaf.

vick was a flash in the pan last year who quickly faded at the end

he has no jewelry as you guys like to say.....

as for brees, we let him walk and only 2 teams out of 32 bid on him (3 if you count our offer) and brees correctly chose the offer with the most guaranteed cash, since he was staring at a possible career ending injury, and his recovery was miraculous (those are his doctor's own words)

to be quite technical, brees couldn't get it done in new orleans until they signed FA darren sharper + traded for jonathan vilma (LB) (defensive moves)

[Jay3]

we didn't trade brees lol, and we didn't pass on vick, we traded the #1 pick which turned into vick, so that we could get LT and other considerations (and that i'd say was the better move as LT turned out to be a better rb than vick was as a qb, plus vick got jailed)

brees left via free agency, and only had 2 teams bidding on him due to his horribly mangled labrum (which 'miraculously' healed.....)

Yeah, "traded" was a slip-up in my wording. Forgot, you just let him walk out the door.

And there was a time I thought L.T. was the better acquisition, but then he done wo out, and now Vick is one of the best QB's in the league.

It happens -- it's just ironic that two franchise quarterbacks have been passed on by the Chargers SINCE they jumped all over themselves to get Leaf.

[baphamet]

Methinks SD fans have pretty much come to terms with the Ryan Leaf debacle. Oak may have a few more years until they're over the JR failure.

you really cant get over something like that until you get a QB that is what leaf was supposed to be.

luckily, we only had to suffer without a good QB for a few years until brees broke out in 2004, we have been sitting pretty nice at QB since.

so yeah, i am over it.

[jcdavey]

Don't forget, passed on Michael Vick and traded Drew Brees, thanks.

Did well in 2004, though -- but the failure-stink jumped over onto Philip Rivers.

But in Rivers' defense, he has looked very good while not contending at all in the postseason.

we didn't trade brees lol, and we didn't pass on vick, we traded the #1 pick which turned into vick, so that we could get LT and other considerations (and that i'd say was the better move as LT turned out to be a better rb than vick was as a qb, plus vick got jailed)

brees left via free agency, and only had 2 teams bidding on him due to his horribly mangled labrum (which 'miraculously' healed.....)

[jcdavey]

this isn't even smack

ryan leaf is the clear #1 bust of all time, the stats don't lie lol

[ebsoria]

He's on ESPN Network right now as #2... let's see who #1 is.....

Ryan Leak.

But this program is from April '05 before Oakland had JR and before we had Jarvis Moss.