Tebow Sucks

[kishzilla]

Tim Tebow does not suck. He represented our organization well in his time here.

With that said:

It's like Cutler and "you know..."



Somebody needs to get that kid a Thesaurus lol

[baphamet]

No it wasn't, liar...

You were trying to explain away Tebow's QB stats, and why they would improve so dramatically toward the end of games.

lol you are clearly mad, you call me a liar every time you get your panties in a bunch over tebow, its hilarious.

i don't need to go back and forth over what my argument was, i know what it was and it never was just about the passing game, it was the horrendous offense under tebow.

i don't know how many times i have said that, stop crying dude.

Well, the Jets obviously think he's a football player, and they will use him as such, so apparently you're smarter than they are. Maybe you should send them your resume

did i say he wasn't a football player or did i say he wasn't a good football player? Jesus dude, is that really your argument? the jets traded a couple crappy picks for him to be their backup up and that means he is a good football player?

wow, just freaking WOW! that logic is simply amazing!

Oh wait, no, that's ridiculous, you have no idea what you're talking about. lol

i know more of what i am talking about than you ever have, i have been proven right time and time again when it comes to tim tebow and it absolutely infuriates you.

Nope, wrong-O Bong-O. You regurgitated it after ESPN et al started saying it, and the announcers on the game after the Jets, just like a lot of what you post lol.

that is complete and utter crap and you know it. if that was the case you and many others wouldn't have flamed me for saying it when i did.

i was saying that pretty much all season.

funny you call me a liar with every whinny post you make yet you lie straight through your teeth.

And after that, I proved you had no idea what you were talking about, listed what the coverage was, what we called, and how your characterization was not just wrong, but stupid on it's face. But I understand why you would want to forget about something like that lol

you mean when i called it "prevent style defense"? that is exactly what it is. i never said it was a prevent formation, you got all up in arms and pretended i said something i never did.

you were fixated only on what i called it and ignored the argument i was making which was 100% correct.

I guess it's possible that all of those people who's job it is to game-plan and devise ways to keep Tebow from making things happen at the end of games and get paid to actually know what they're doing are all just idiots, and somehow commentators on ESPN that are trying to stir the pot, and armchair D-coordinators like you pretend to be, are the real geniuses.....LOL!

damn dude, so you never question what any team does? is that what you are trying to tell me??

i get it, tebow is your idol and you cant stand to see anyone talk bad about him. but really, get your head out of your ass and stop crying.

yes i question all those DC's (including the chargers) who did not see how tebow would exploit those soft defenses at the end of the game.

isn't it odd that when the patriots played tebow the same from start to finish, that all the other teams started to do the same?

its kind of understandable because every team plays soft at the end of the game to protect the sideline and eat clock, when they have a lead.

but after it kept happening you have to question those DC's. no i don't think i am smarter than them, just like (i would hope) you or anyone else do not think you are smarter when you question what a team does.

Then again, you could just be full of crap.

I'm going with the second option...

you cant stand when i talk about tebow thus you respond in this manner, i am going with that option. lol

You along with many others that just couldn't wrap their brains around what was happening did everything you could to try and explain away what he was doing, and it kept happening anyway. You're not a smarter Defensive strategist than Di ck LeBeau, or Rex Ryan, or any of the other Teams Defensive gurus that lost to Tebow in the final seconds of games. Tebow made up for his deficiencies in the final seconds of those games, because he willed himself to do so, took advantage of breakdowns in the D, and because the offense as a whole, both the players and the play callers, became more desperate.

i never said he didn't play better at the end of the games or the defensive strategies are the sole reason for the success late.

then again tebow wasn't even close to being the sole reason for their success late in those games either.

just get over it man, tebow is not a good football player, not at the NFL level at least.

your team agrees too and that isn't even arguable.

[quote[Not because of "soft coverage" lol [/quote]

yep, the soft coverage had a lot to do with it, actually. i guess all the experts are wrong, elway and fox are wrong and kish (along with all the other tebow homers) are all right. lol

isn't that the argument you just made Mr armchair QB?

No, I'm not wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about when you say "soft zone" unless you think a zone blitz is soft zone, which apparently you do lol

soft zone meaning they did not blitz as much, that was the problem. are you saying teams were blitzing more at the end of the games? if so you are out of your mind.

teams were blitzing tebow all game long until then, they were pressuring him. at the end they would do what every team does, protect the sideline and give up the middle in order to eat clock.

this created big voids for tebow to run with little pressure to give him more time.

you keep crying about what to call that type of defense yet ignore the argument.

[baphamet]

continue:

Tebow's successes had more to do with poor contain by outside rushers and breakdowns in coverage in the final minutes of the games, and Tebow exploiting it (i.e. when the Jets called the RIGHT coverage when they blitzed, but smith crashed inside allowing Tebow to beat him to the outside and sealing their fate. Smith should have played more contain or "soft coverage" as you so ignorantly put it, but he didn't and Tebow made them pay) than the type of coverage they were calling. But if you even knew half of what you pretend to know you would have understood this. lol

But you don't and here we are...

you come up with one play and you want to pretend you are right because of that? lol

just get over it, you act like i don't know what i am talking about yet many many people have said what i have said after i have said it.

i know, i am a liar, right? lol man, i feel sorry for you that your favorite player is gone but get a grip dude.

Oh HAR HAR HAR! Tebow only has a 4.4 and 4.9 yard per carry average in the 2nd and 3rd quarters in the NFL. He is teh [email protected][email protected]

lol You truly are full of hot turd smelling air. It just exhausts from all orifices.

You know what's more hilarious? Tebow's averages are still higher in the 2nd and 3rd quarter than Mathews

FAIL

not as hilarious as you getting butt hurt over tebow and definitely not as hilarious as you comparing him to a running back.

tebows average was better than a lot of backs, are you saying he is better than all of them because he is a QB that can run?

you do realize that when a RB has the ball the defense swarms him because there is absolutely no threat to pass, right?

not to mention the limited amount of carries he has when a lot of them were 7 - 10 seconds after the snap with hardly any pursuit because of the threat of the pass.

like i said, you are comparing apples to oranges. heck, big ben had as better average per rush than both tebow and Mathews, guess he is better at running the football than both? do you not see how idiotic that argument is?

the fact that you are comparing tebow, a QB to other running backs and using that as your argument as to why he is a good player, really says it all.

So if Tebow sucks at 4.4 and 4.9 yards per carry in the 2nd and 3rd, and Mathews averages 3.5 and 4.3 in the 2nd and 3rd quarters respectively, What does that make Mathews?

tebow sucks period, if he was a runnin g back then we could have a discussion, but he isnt. how you can compare a QB's average per run when they are expecting a pass to a RB nthgta always runs, is beyond me.

And Tebow had the same # of rushing TDs in 4 less games than Mathews lol

Face it dude, youre stuck trying to stubbornly argue a position that you're clearly not equipped to defend. You say things off the top of your head, and don't really know what you're talking about. That much is glaringly obvious.

saying tebow is a good football player is based off fact now? its my opinion, just like its your opinion that he is an excellent player, most people agree with me and disagree with you, that is what is apparent.

what's also apparent is your emotional attachment to tebow and your anger when anyone says anything bad about him (especially when i do lol).

Tim Tebow is an excellent football player. Period. You debating that is just flat out dumb.

this quote really says it all, it really puts the tebow nuthugger seal of approval stamp directly on your forehead. lol

so me debating tebow is not a good football player is dumb? that is the debate that has gone on since he was drafted dude.

but do keep getting upset over what i say aboput tebow, i can just imagaine you at your keyboard with the tears flowing down your cheek as you type each heartfelt responce.

Don't worry about me. I'm disappointed we couldn't figure out a way to use Tebow like the Jets obviously will, and will succeed at by the way, but the trade off was Peyton Manning. I'm just fine

If I were you, I'd be more concerned with your willful telling of lies and making crap up. Not a good trait to have bud

I suppose this is where you call me a troll, and whine and cry about it, and completely disregard anything I said, pluck out one point to dismiss, and pat yourself on the back.

Well save yourself the trouble. I could probably type up what you're going to say for you lol

that's classic, i am the one whining and crying? you truly are delusional. you clearly get upset every time we debate about tebow.

i imagine this is your way of dealing with your loss. i would also like to point out that calling me a liar while not true yet lying yourself isn't a good trait either.

the only thing worse than a liar is a liar and a hypocrite. but i am sure i will be the one receiving the infraction for saying that. not you.

its the truth though.

[kishzilla]

Yup, pretty much what I thought

Hope you had fun lol

[Manningmania]

I rooted for Tim Tebow and loved every game we won. But never for a second did I think Tebow to be our franchise QB and future. Too many 3 and outs and balls thrown in the dirt to wide open wrs. If Tebow can fix his mechanics he will be scary as QB. But fixing your mechanics is one of the hardest things to do.

[baphamet]

Yup, pretty much what I thought

Hope you had fun lol

lol oh i did

[kishzilla]

I rooted for Tim Tebow and loved every game we won. But never for a second did I think Tebow to be our franchise QB and future. Too many 3 and outs and balls thrown in the dirt to wide open wrs. If Tebow can fix his mechanics he will be scary as QB. But fixing your mechanics is one of the hardest things to do.

If we could have convinced him to do what he will apparently be doing in NY, we wouldn't have needed him to be the franchise QB.

He will prove to be a valuable resource and talent for the Jets, for what they are going to do with him.

It's too bad we got rid of him for non-football reasons. I mean, as bad as he was as a regular drop back passer, he was still better than Caleb Heine, and cheaper too.

Some figure because he's not the second coming of Dan Fouts that means he isn't a good football player and can't be a valuable part of an offense

[baphamet]

Some figure because he's not the second coming of Dan Fouts that means he isn't a good football player and can't be a valuable part of an offense

sure he can be valuable in certain situations, i have said that many times before.

to me,he is valuable in niche short yardage situations, that is about it. unless having a terrible offense is what you are looking for in a QB.

let the dude become a running back and then we will talk, until then he sucks as a QB and is not a good player IMO.

not sure why you think that opinion is so far fetched, it really is quite reasonable.

[kishzilla]

lol oh i did

How about this...

Care to make a wager?

Pick any player on your team not named Rivers, and I bet Tebow scores more total TDs.

I mean, if he's no good as a football player, and holds no value as one as you're asserting, then there's no way he could contribute to more TDs than anyone else on your team right?

Guys who aren't good football players don't score TDs, and certainly don't score them at a high rate. Right Baphy?

[kishzilla]

sure he can be valuable in certain situations, i have said that many times before.

to me,he is valuable in niche short yardage situations, that is about it. unless having a terrible offense is what you are looking for in a QB.

let the dude become a running back and then we will talk, until then he sucks as a QB and is not a good player IMO.

not sure why you think that opinion is so far fetched, it really is quite reasonable.

Not sure why you aren't able to separate Tim Tebow the athlete and football player, and Tim Tebow the pocket QB.

But then again, a lot of what you say and do makes no sense. Like being a Chargers fan for instance

[ERoyal248]

I'll throw my :2cents: in this.

Tebow is a good football player, good leader, good person, but not a good QB at this time.

Unfortunately if he didn't have such a crazy fanbase, he'd still probably be here, hard to dislike the guy though, good guy.

[kishzilla]

I'll throw my :2cents: in this.

Tebow is a good football player, good leader, good person, but not a good QB at this time.

Unfortunately if he didn't have such a crazy fanbase, he'd still probably be here, hard to dislike the guy though, good guy.

Like I said, it's too bad he had to go for non-football reasons.

We could have used him. Even if it wasn't as our QB. I don't see us replacing his good abilities with a 4th round pick, but we'll see.

[ERoyal248]

Like I said, it's too bad he had to go for non-football reasons.

We could have used him. Even if it wasn't as our QB. I don't see us replacing his good abilities with a 4th round pick, but we'll see.

I agree, but it had to be done unfortunately...

[nyuk nyuk]

precisely the reason Elway wanted him out of Denver. Manning + Tebow would have = qb controversy + media circus + divided fanbase. That and the Patriots playoff game performance put the nail in the coffin.

Tebow can't/won't sit on the bench for the duration of the 5 year Manning contract. He needed to go somewhere he had a chance to get on the field, ultimately. He chose NY so we're stuck with butthurt fans in Florida with empty nester syndrome.

[kishzilla]

How about this...

Care to make a wager?

Pick any player on your team not named Rivers, and I bet Tebow scores more total TDs.

I mean, if he's no good as a football player, and holds no value as one as you're asserting, then there's no way he could contribute to more TDs than anyone else on your team right?

Guys who aren't good football players don't score TDs, and certainly don't score them at a high rate. Right Baphy?

Hmm, all of the sudden Baph has nothing to say...