Melvin Ingram > Von Miller

[Butler By'Note]

lol yep and a whole lot of embarrassment in the playoffs. i thought to broncos fans, only SB rings mattered? at least that was what i was told when the chargers were winning the division every year.

And other than 2011, which was a complete surprise, you'll find most Broncos fans feel that the last 3 years were wasted because they didn't cash in with a Super Bowl. But at least SD still celebrates those division titles from half a decade ago...

[Butler By'Note]

i have never argued that the chargers franchise has been better than the broncos but i am 100% spot on with my statement that nobody embarrasses themselves in the playoffs like Denver does.....NOBODY!

the broncos embarrassment legacy in the playoffs is second to none.

by the way, manning's one ring is overshadowed by a long shot by his choking legacy. a QB his caliber should have 4-6 rings the amount of times he has been to the playoffs.

not to mention the times his teams have gone one and done after dominating in the regular season.

It's almost as if football is a team game and you need all of the 46 players that are active on game day, to perform at a level capable of winning.

But surely Manning putting his team up late only to have a hail mary completed while he was on the sidelines, somehow counts as him losing the game. And of course every other playoff loss is his fault while every win was his teammates bailing him out.

I thought you were brighter than this, evidently I gave you way too much credit.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-33-Von-Miller waiting for Ingrams spot on the list... all those "flashes" and "hurries" have got to make up for his lack of any real production right?

[Rastic]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-33-Von-Miller waiting for Ingrams spot on the list... all those "flashes" and "hurries" have got to make up for his lack of any real production right?

If I were Rivers I'd be upset at dropping 9 spots to make room for Ingram if he doesn't make it.

[baphamet]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-33-Von-Miller waiting for Ingrams spot on the list... all those "flashes" and "hurries" have got to make up for his lack of any real production right?

yeah, i wonder why rivers is on there and not alex smith?

[baphamet]

It's almost as if football is a team game and you need all of the 46 players that are active on game day, to perform at a level capable of winning.

But surely Manning putting his team up late only to have a hail mary completed while he was on the sidelines, somehow counts as him losing the game. And of course every other playoff loss is his fault while every win was his teammates bailing him out.

I thought you were brighter than this, evidently I gave you way too much credit.

yet somehow some way manning's teams always dominate in the regular season, against good and bad teams.

but do continue to make excuses if it makes you feel better.

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yeah, i wonder why rivers is on there and not alex smith?

Smith had very poor wrs but try and not be a deflector Baph the topic is Ingram and his lack of production his entire career. Prove me wrong!

[Canmore]

Smith had very poor wrs but try and not be a deflector Baph the topic is Ingram and his lack of production his entire career. Prove me wrong!

He's had flashes and hurries. He'd better hurry up or he is just going to be a flash in the pan.

[58Miller]

i have never argued that the chargers franchise has been better than the broncos but i am 100% spot on with my statement that nobody embarrasses themselves in the playoffs like Denver does.....NOBODY!

the broncos embarrassment legacy in the playoffs is second to none.

by the way, manning's one ring is overshadowed by a long shot by his choking legacy. a QB his caliber should have 4-6 rings the amount of times he has been to the playoffs.

not to mention the times his teams have gone one and done after dominating in the regular season.

Quarter backs like Manning, Elway, Marino, Montana and Brady make everybody around them better.
Manning just like Elway lead teams to the playoffs and Superbowl that other qb's couldn't even get to .500.
What happen in Indy when Manning left?
2-14! How bout Denver after Elway walked away Superbowl MVP? They didn't when a playoff game for 7 years.
Rivers with a HOF Running back & TE Pro bowl lineman and a top defense accomplished nothing. Elway, and Manning win Superbowls wirh that group and the same group Fouts had in the early 80's

[baphamet]

Smith had very poor wrs but try and not be a deflector Baph the topic is Ingram and his lack of production his entire career. Prove me wrong!

i'm not deflecting, i'm wondering why smith isn't on there since you and others said you would take him over rivers. considering you posted the link and clearly think its a valid list?

oh and i can prove you wrong because the thread isn't about ingram's lack of production at all, you guys went off topic and turned it into that and that is a fact

i have already given you my take on ingram 1000 times. i have already said i think he has not lived up to where he was drafted. ive already said he is approaching bust status but he has a chance because when healthy we have seen flashes of dominance and i have even shown you an ESPN writer who covers the chargers exclusively who echoed my words.

why does it need to be repeated over and over?

[baphamet]

He's had flashes and hurries. He'd better hurry up or he is just going to be a flash in the pan.

can't argue with that but im not going to sit up here and say he sucks or is a wasted roster spot like some of you broncos fans want to believe.

if he gets injured again this year and misses significant time again, then it's nice knowing you ingram, good luck with your new team next year.

but if not? he has a real chance to have a good year and prove that he has the ability to dominate. those of us who watch every single chargers game have seen "flashes" of it.

which is why he is not hated like some of the other players that just flat out stink up the joint like kendall reyes.

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Quarter backs like Manning, Elway, Marino, Montana and Brady make everybody around them better.
Manning just like Elway lead teams to the playoffs and Superbowl that other qb's couldn't even get to .500.
What happen in Indy when Manning left?
2-14! How bout Denver after Elway walked away Superbowl MVP? They didn't when a playoff game for 7 years.
Rivers with a HOF Running back & TE Pro bowl lineman and a top defense accomplished nothing. Elway, and Manning win Superbowls wirh that group and the same group Fouts had in the early 80's

Now Miller using reality and facts aren't allowed !

You have to use your imagination.Pretend if you can some way that Manning actually has won more playoff games than Rivers has played in....oh wait thats reality.


Uh Manning has lead the league in almost superbowls every season he has been in the league..Flashing his greatness while deliberately not running the ball any time he wants.Thats to keep from embarrassing the likes Of Vick, Young Cunningham and other guys who think they can run. Manning is a running back playing QB..His dad makes him stay in the pocket so nobody ever figures out he is actually Superman! FACT!

See now thats how Baph thinks you win...just make up random things claim them as facts and declaire youtself the winner :thumb:

[Beagle]

i'm not deflecting, i'm wondering why smith isn't on there since you and others said you would take him over rivers. considering you posted the link and clearly think its a valid list?

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Because Rivers had a better season last year..even while being swept by The Chiefs and Smith...isnt that how everyone including you judges Manning vs Brady? Smith straight up owns Rivers in Head to head match ups

You have taken it off topic many times I always get it back on..


I really don't know why mine and a few other guys personal preference between Rivers and Smith seems to bother you so.. I prefer a Mobile QB who takes care of the ball over a turnover prone stiff. Now please cry more about it.


Ingram is a Bust Prove me wrong!

[baphamet]

Quarter backs like Manning, Elway, Marino, Montana and Brady make everybody around them better.
Manning just like Elway lead teams to the playoffs and Superbowl that other qb's couldn't even get to .500.
What happen in Indy when Manning left?
2-14! How bout Denver after Elway walked away Superbowl MVP? They didn't when a playoff game for 7 years.
Rivers with a HOF Running back & TE Pro bowl lineman and a top defense accomplished nothing. Elway, and Manning win Superbowls wirh that group and the same group Fouts had in the early 80's

ha! funny you try to make this point. elway couldn't win any rings without a dominant running game to carry him. manning has had great teams in indy and denver and honestly, he won his only SB with a not so great team around him.

the only ring manning has won is one of the few times his team didn't have a lot of hype going into the playoffs, he didn't have all the pressure on him and his team to perform. which i would argue is the main factor in what causes some players and teams to choke.

but not only that, look at who they beat to win that ring? who was the QB again? was it kyle orton or wrecks grossman? i forget.

manning and the broncos had the best offense in the history of the NFL and got embarrassed in the SB........so don't talk to me about making players around you better.

that may be true but he doesn't make the players around him better in the playoffs for some reason, wonder why?

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i'm not deflecting,

When you quote this

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-33-Von-Miller waiting for Ingrams spot on the list... all those "flashes" and "hurries" have got to make up for his lack of any real production right?

and reply with this

yeah, i wonder why rivers is on there and not alex smith?

It is clearly deflecting