Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning

[Mr Bojangles]

Sophia, when you are playing with a lead you play differently than when you play from behind. If our D hadn't scored the TD and gotten us a short field, we likely would have played differently. But that wasn't the case. We were up 24 points at the half.

Feel free to look through the annals of history, and check the win-loss record of teams that ended games with 280 yards rushing. lol

A series of unfortunate events combined with offensive miscues lead to a loss in that game.

Hindsight is always 20/20. If that ball doesn't hit carter, and we kick a FG and win, the talk would be about how dominant our run game was.

Nope...the talk will forever be how Manning was unable to perform up to his averages that night, while Brady's game was, for the most part, unaffected by the hellacious elements!

That's not even debatable.

[Mr Bojangles]

Making excuses is weak. We lost why feed into there regular season celebration, tip your cap give them there moment to flex and act like they won something bro.
We both know Denver can win out, get the #1 seed and will have DRC, Champ, Rahim (3 of our 4 starters in the secondary) and Julius Thomas will be back and a huge mismatch for the Pats.
One game at time buddy these chumps will disappear.

Like most Colts' fans before you, you forget that your team is QBed by a guy who simply struggles outdoors, in January, in the elements in big, important games!

[Mr Bojangles]

Premise: Peyton Manning just never had the defense to support him like Tom Brady did.

Analysis: Official NFL Team Defensive Rankings (yards allowed)
Patriots 2001: 24
Colts 2001: 29

Patriots 2002: 26
Colts 2002: 8

Patriots 2003: 7
Colts 2003: 11

Patriots 2004: 9
Colts 2004: 29

Patriots 2005: 26
Colts 2005: 11

Patriots 2006: 6
Colts 2006: 21

Patriots 2007: 4
Colts 2007: 3

Patriots 2008: skipped (no Brady)
Colts 2008: 11

Patriots 2009: 11
Colts 2009: 18

Patriots 2010: 25
Colts 2010: 20

Patriots 2011: 31
Colts 2011: skipped (no Manning)

10 year average ranking
Patriots: 16.9
Colts: 16.1

Conclusion: The premise is flawed

Brady > Manning

Exactly!

For years, all I heard from Colts' fans and Manning-apologists was that NE's superior Defense was the difference, and that Brady wasn't worthy enough to carry Manning's jock.

Sunday's game proved once and for all that Manning's stats/performance drop off significantly
1. In the cold,
2. In the wind,
3. at Gillette,
4. Vs Brady and the Patriots,
5. In big games.

[PatsFan4ever]

whens the last time the pats won one without filming the other teams signals and making adjustments off them?


ohh ya.... never

We went to TWO superbowls after that incident. Not to mention finished the 2007 regular season undefeated. When was the last time the BROcos did either of those??? lolololol

[ERoyal248]

They always play us tough. Though we did beat them the year we went to the SB. Brady & Belichick have always spoke highly of Ed Reed. I think he had a lot to do with their success against us. Will be interesting to see how they do without him and Ray Lewis when we play them in Baltimore.

lol @ the Colts. Definitely would love if NE played them.

It will, Daryl Smith has been a huge upgrade over Ray Lewis.

They definately seem to give you guys problems, not sure how much of it was because Reed/Lewis were so smart and knew a lot about Brady, etc.

Thought for sure NE may get him when Reed was cut.

On the Colts, thats only because im a Luck homer lol.

[RandomVariable]

Oh, i agree on the bottom part, would prefer not to see them again and hope they miss out on the playoffs.

I'd say they give NE more problems than us but for whatever reason it seems Brady struggles with them, i dont know why though.

Indy/Cin/Bal could beat us, it's single elimination, you dont have to be better in a best of 7, just better that day.

They always play us tough. Though we did beat them the year we went to the SB. Brady & Belichick have always spoke highly of Ed Reed. I think he had a lot to do with their success against us. Will be interesting to see how they do without him and Ray Lewis when we play them in Baltimore.

lol @ the Colts. Definitely would love if NE played them.

[ERoyal248]

We could. But so could you. I was just responding to the comment that we could lose to Cincy.

I think Baltimore should be the team both Pats and Broncos fans fear the most, even more so than one another's respective teams. Their defense is better than last year's and neither team matches up well against them.

I am definitely rooting against them in their final games as I hope they do not make the playoffs.

Oh, i agree on the bottom part, would prefer not to see them again and hope they miss out on the playoffs.

I'd say they give NE more problems than us but for whatever reason it seems Brady struggles with them, i dont know why though.

Indy/Cin/Bal could beat us, it's single elimination, you dont have to be better in a best of 7, just better that day.

[RandomVariable]

WHose to say NE won't?

We could. But so could you. I was just responding to the comment that we could lose to Cincy.

I think Baltimore should be the team both Pats and Broncos fans fear the most, even more so than one another's respective teams. Their defense is better than last year's and neither team matches up well against them.

I am definitely rooting against them in their final games as I hope they do not make the playoffs.

[ERoyal248]

Oh, Bal finishes with at Det, vs NE, at Cin.

Thats a brutal stretch.

Assuming they beat Min, to get to 7-6, they'd need to win probably 2 of those to get in.

One of those and 8-8 might, might get a huge tiebreaker scenario with 3-5 teams.

[ERoyal248]

Geno Atkins was Cincy`s MVP that game. He won`t be there in the playoffs. Also, we didn`t have Gronk.

Who is to say you won`t lose to the Colts or Ravens (if they make it)?

WHose to say NE won't?

[RandomVariable]

If we each take the 1st and 2nd seed in the playoffs however, We may or may not even get a chance to face them. NE dropped that game to the Bengals 13-6. Who's to say they don't do it again?

Geno Atkins was Cincy`s MVP that game. He won`t be there in the playoffs. Also, we didn`t have Gronk.

Who is to say you won`t lose to the Colts or Ravens (if they make it)?

[kishzilla]

I like are chances to! Funny thing is I think the Broncos want another shot at New England and the Pats think they have our number all a perfect setup for a broncos win in the playoffs.

If we each take the 1st and 2nd seed in the playoffs however, We may or may not even get a chance to face them. NE dropped that game to the Bengals 13-6. Who's to say they don't do it again?

[58Miller]

If NE is reduced to hoping for windy conditions, turnovers that may or may not happen, receivers dropping passes, and Denver missing key offensive players, basically everything OUT of their control?

I like our chances.

I like are chances to! Funny thing is I think the Broncos want another shot at New England and the Pats think they have our number all a perfect setup for a broncos win in the playoffs.

[kishzilla]

Manning didn't play his best game but I saw 3 drops from Welker, 2 from DT, and 1 by Decker. And you mentioned the defense Bellichek set between 6 to 8 defenfers back to prevent Mannings quick rub and underneath routes and Denver took advantage by running the ball in those looks. Julius Thomas will help beat that look in a rematch and if there isnt 20 mph winds denver can go over the top.

If NE is reduced to hoping for windy conditions, turnovers that may or may not happen, receivers dropping passes, and Denver missing key offensive players, basically everything OUT of their control?

I like our chances.

[58Miller]

It WAS just a regular season game. But it speaks volumes that they squandered a 24-0 lead and Peyton had his typical cold weather game. If you beat us in the playoffs, I will tip my hat. At the end of the day that's all that matters.

I just don't see it happening.

Manning didn't play his best game but I saw 3 drops from Welker, 2 from DT, and 1 by Decker. And you mentioned the defense Bellichek set between 6 to 8 defenfers back to prevent Mannings quick rub and underneath routes and Denver took advantage by running the ball in those looks. Julius Thomas will help beat that look in a rematch and if there isnt 20 mph winds denver can go over the top.