Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning

[canadiansbronco]

Despite an interception that was taken by by a penalty (thank God), the Broncos passed the ball remarkably well to tie the game.

The problem wasn't the running game -- it worked beautifully. The problem was that when they did pass, the passes were inaccurate or dropped by receivers.

If Peyton wasn't clutch, neither were any of his receivers outside of Jacob Tamme.

My point is in the same weather brady got it done, we didn't even try till it was to late. Now was that because we knew manning couldnt do it or was our gameplan to run it 50 times....

[ERoyal248]

My point is in the same weather brady got it done, we didn't even try till it was to late. Now was that because we knew manning couldnt do it or was our gameplan to run it 50 times....

Well, they werent doing all that much but once DRC went down, they moved the ball.

Changed a lot.

Manning was going up against a completely healthy, or NE had most of their top guys in the secondary playing.

Denver was missing DRC, Champ, and Rahim, 3/5 of the secondary.

All NE was missing in the secondary was Gregory.

[RandomVariable]

Well, they werent doing all that much but once DRC went down, they moved the ball.

Changed a lot.

Manning was going up against a completely healthy, or NE had most of their top guys in the secondary playing.

Denver was missing DRC, Champ, and Rahim, 3/5 of the secondary.

All NE was missing in the secondary was Gregory.

I wouldn't call it completely healthy. Dennard just came off of minor surgery and Talib was still battling hip issues. Arrington has been playing with numerous injuries for a couple of weeks. Also, if Wilfork, Kelly, and Mayo are active, do you think you guys run the ball as well as you did?

[kishzilla]

My point is in the same weather brady got it done, we didn't even try till it was to late. Now was that because we knew manning couldnt do it or was our gameplan to run it 50 times....

More often than not you take what the Defense gives you. You honestly think the gameplan was to just run the ball all night? We all knew Bilicheat was going to do everything he could do to negate the best player on the field and that's Manning. We ran the Ball like we did because that was the look we got most of the night. When they drop 8 guys in coverage, if your QB doesn't check out of a pass and run the ball, then he's a frickin dumbass. It nearly bit ole' Bilicheat in the ass too. I don't think he anticipated nearly 300 yards rushing. He basically hedged his bets that we couldn't run the ball effectively, and he got lucky with a weird bounce in overtime.

Trust me, it's not going to be the same next time. Manning is fine, and we have very little to worry about.

[ERoyal248]

I wouldn't call it completely healthy. Dennard just came off of minor surgery and Talib was still battling hip issues. Arrington has been playing with numerous injuries for a couple of weeks. Also, if Wilfork, Kelly, and Mayo are active, do you think you guys run the ball as well as you did?

Odds are against it, sure.

[PatsFan4ever]

More often than not you take what the Defense gives you. You honestly think the gameplan was to just run the ball all night? We all knew Bilicheat was going to do everything he could do to negate the best player on the field and that's Manning. We ran the Ball like we did because that was the look we got most of the night. When they drop 8 guys in coverage, if your QB doesn't check out of a pass and run the ball, then he's a frickin dumbass. It nearly bit ole' Bilicheat in the ass too. I don't think he anticipated nearly 300 yards rushing. He basically hedged his bets that we couldn't run the ball effectively, and he got lucky with a weird bounce in overtime.

Trust me, it's not going to be the same next time. Manning is fine, and we have very little to worry about.

Belichick's intelligence and superior coaching skills really make your butt sting, don't they?

[kishzilla]

Belichick's intelligence and superior coaching skills really make your butt sting, don't they?

What's with you and everything referencing my ass? You gotta infatuation or something?

And funny thing about Bilicheat. Since he got caught cheating, you guys haven't won a damned thing. Funny how the supposedly most "clutch" QB in history, and the most intelligent and superior coach have done nothing but lose big games the last decade.

[Sophia23]

Manning had the superior team tonight and was handed a 24-0 lead but still lost. 150 yards, 19/36, INT.

While Brady, 344 yards, 34/50, 3 TD, 0 INT.

And is now 10-4 vs Peyton.

The debate should be Brady vs Montana, not Brady vs Manning.

If the one calling the shots wasn't being so conservative that they felt they needed to run the ball the entire game, when they have a QB such as Peyton… I'm sure there would've been a very different outcome.

The debate should not be Brady vs. Manning… but conservative vs. non-conservative play calling

[kishzilla]

If the one calling the shots wasn't being so conservative that they felt they needed to run the ball the entire game, when they have a QB such as Peyton… I'm sure there would've been a very different outcome.

The debate should not be Brady vs. Manning… but conservative vs. non-conservative play calling

Manning called audibles most of the game. It wasn't a playcalling problem. When we did pass, we didn't execute. Either Manning being off, out of sync, or the WR's just dropping the ball. We ran the ball all night because they were only sending 3 or 4 guys all night and dropping their LBs back in coverage. If Manning would have thrown into double coverage instead of calling an audible to run the ball, we would all be sitting here talking about how crappy Manning is.

Bottom line is, the WR core played sloppy, and our special teams were horrific. There's absolutely nothing wrong with running the ball when you're averaging 6 yards a carry. You'd be silly not to.

[58Miller]

A lot of excuses! Pats fans are rubbing it in! There as classy as there little punk qb.
But they won they deserve to say what ever they want! Any excuses on ourpart are pathetic like our teams second half gameplan.
Lets hope it works out to where we see them in the AFC championship game. There oline cant block Von Miller and there dline cant stop our run game and will have DRC and Champ instead of Webster amd Jammer oh and Manning will have another target in Julius Thomas I like our chances!
Congrats on the win Patriot fans that had to be a wicked awesome win beating the best team in the league!
See you in January!

[Sophia23]

Manning called audibles most of the game. It wasn't a playcalling problem. When we did pass, we didn't execute. Either Manning being off, out of sync, or the WR's just dropping the ball. We ran the ball all night because they were only sending 3 or 4 guys all night and dropping their LBs back in coverage. If Manning would have thrown into double coverage instead of calling an audible to run the ball, we would all be sitting here talking about how crappy Manning is.

Look at the last couple minutes of the reg. game when Manning through perfectly into double coverage twice that I can picture right off, and with in just a couple minutes went down the field to tie it up with a touch down. I'll admit I didn't know that so much of not throwing was Manning's decision. Just saying, had there been at least a few more attempts at that …. there would have much less three and outs…

Bottom line is, the WR core played sloppy, and our special teams were horrific. There's absolutely nothing wrong with running the ball when you're averaging 6 yards a carry. You'd be silly not to.

Not taking away from Moreno at all… he was awesome last night. It's only my opinion when Brady's out there taking it down the field with 6-7 plays…. Maybe when we were still up by 10 we should have attempted a throw for a better shot at a first down…. rather than running on almost every single play.

[ERoyal248]

kiz is right.

They were dropping 6-9 players into coverage all game, the best playcall was to run the ball most of the game.

[kishzilla]

Not taking away from Moreno at all… he was awesome last night. It's only my opinion when Brady's out there taking it down the field with 6-7 plays…. Maybe when we were still up by 10 we should have attempted a throw for a better shot at a first down…. rather than running on almost every single play.

And if Manning throws an interception because he's taking a chance throwing into double or triple coverage? What then? We're saying how careless he is etc. etc. etc.

Manning doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. That is not because of his great skill throwing the ball. Quite the contrary. Manning is only average to above average when throwing the ball. What separates him is he uses his head more than his arm. If you want a QB that throws caution to the wind and just hucks it in there with unmitigated hubris, then Cutler would be who you want under center. That's not Manning. We aren't going to reinvent the guy in the twilight of his career. When Manning sees the Defense giving up the run, he takes it.

When you saw him throw into what appeared to be tight coverage etc. that was not by design. It was either by desperation or necessity. If you're on 3rd and long, of course you're going to throw it. But if it's 1st down and the Defense looks like they aren't even going to make an ATTEMPT to play run then you run the frickin ball. Period. If it happens on 2nd down, you do it again.

It worked, and it worked well. As is evident by our 280 yards rushing. We didn't lose because we ran the ball. We lost because of mental errors, bad execution by the receiving core, and bad special teams play. You can't cough up the ball on your own 30 and expect your Defense to come up with a miracle not once, but three times in a game. You can't slap the ball out of your own hand on 3rd down. You can't drop passes on 3rd and long for easy 1st downs. You can't drop go-ahead touchdown passes. You can't get your ass kicked on the edge and get your QB blown up. None of those issues are because we ran the ball.

[Sophia23]

It worked, and it worked well. As is evident by our 280 yards rushing. We didn't lose because we ran the ball. We lost because of mental errors, bad execution by the receiving core, and bad special teams play. You can't cough up the ball on your own 30 and expect your Defense to come up with a miracle not once, but three times in a game. You can't slap the ball out of your own hand on 3rd down. You can't drop passes on 3rd and long for easy 1st downs. You can't drop go-ahead touchdown passes. You can't get your ass kicked on the edge and get your QB blown up. None of those issues are because we ran the ball.

If it wasn't for our defense… the score would have been 31-14 so I don't think it worked that well… but say what you will….

[ERoyal248]

If it wasn't for our defense… the score would have been 31-14 so I don't think it worked that well… but say what you will….

Probably true, we also gave them 2-3 turnovers for points.

Fact stays the same, they dared Denver to run the ball at them and they did.

They were dropping 6-8 guys into coverage all game, should Manning of thrown it 50 times into double/triple coverage?