Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning

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AJ Green, Julio Jones, and although Jimmy Graham isn't technically a WR he does usually line up as one. Honorary mention goes to Vincent Jackson, who may not be as good as any of your WRs, is still a very good one.

[#87Birdman]

AJ Green, Julio Jones, and although Jimmy Graham isn't technically a WR he does usually line up as one. Honorary mention goes to Vincent Jackson, who may not be as good as any of your WRs, is still a very good one.

hmmm everyone you mentioned is nice but none of those have the number of weapons the broncos have. DT is no slouch and is up there at being one of the top receivers. You can shut down one and we will beat you with another.

you guys had trouble stopping the saints receivers who aren't on the level as the broncos receivers.

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hmmm everyone you mentioned is nice but none of those have the number of weapons the broncos have. DT is no slouch and is up there at being one of the top receivers. You can shut down one and we will beat you with another.

you guys had trouble stopping the saints receivers who aren't on the level as the broncos receivers.

We had trouble? Brees had his lowest completion % in a long time (maybe even his career) and had only 236 yards passing.

[Joshecalpoly]

There's a reason defenses are ranked by yards and not by points. There's a lot more to factor in when looking at points. Field position, special teams, turnovers, etc. It's not always strictly on the D.

You must be forgetting Manning's terrible performance in the playoffs the year he won the SB. 3 TDs and 7 INTs with a QB rating of 70.5. Despite all that talent on offense. It was the D that won them the championship.

You just keep pulling me back, of course special teams matters to how many points you allow and it also matters to how many yards you give up if your continuously punting your D has to hand teams generally farther down the field and sometimes they score without having the D on, heck you can create turnovers and allow a pick six or allow the team to be back in their own redzone. Their are many factors but its the amount of points a team gives up that matters the most especially if your offense has to continuously play catchup.

As for the idea that his D did well in the playoffs the year he won, yes it did they were missing 2 key players one of which was Bob Sanders and once he came back the D started clicking again. The fact is overall Brady has had a better D consistently more then Manning has and they practice the policy of bending not breaking more often then not. Besides by your standards the Colts had a weak offense when he went to the SB as well.

In 2001 and 2007 the Pats somehow managed to win with the 7th worst offense in total yards how did they do that, oh thats right they gave up the fewest points

2004 they were the 5th best team in yards allowed but they allowed the least amount of points in the AFC

In fact in all the years Brady won the SB his team never allowed 20 points or more, but he had a cruddy D (sarcasm)

If a team gave up 400 yards and yet only 12 points in a game you would automatically think that D was pathetic or that game was loseable and there D was worse then a team that gave up 300 yards on average but 24 points. Heck by your standards Houston should be the best team right now, the control the clock better then anyone they dont allow a lot of yards on D and they generate a lot of yards on O yet they keep losing why BECAUSE THEY TURN THE BALL OVER AND ALLOW EASY POINTS FOR THE OTHER TEAM.

[Joshecalpoly]

We had trouble? Brees had his lowest completion % in a long time (maybe even his career) and had only 236 yards passing.

Actually 5th lowest and his 53rd lowest passer rating, in fact tampa did more to stop him despite allowing more yards and a higher completion % they allowed 1 TD and had 3 FG's and forced 2 INT's.

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There's a reason defenses are ranked by yards and not by points. There's a lot more to factor in when looking at points. Field position, special teams, turnovers, etc. It's not always strictly on the D.

You must be forgetting Manning's terrible performance in the playoffs the year he won the SB. 3 TDs and 7 INTs with a QB rating of 70.5. Despite all that talent on offense. It was the D that won them the championship.

You are crazy if you judge a D off yards.

Which is a useless stat t judge a defense.

Its always points, third down defense, etc..

NE won its SB because of defense, running game, not because of Brady so.

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Manning threw for 300 plus, three touchdowns last year, his 5th game back.

That, without Wes and Julius.

And NE had Wilfork and Mayo, soooo.

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And Gronk is back.

So is Von Miller, k.

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Talib has been shutting down much more talented receivers than the ones you have. Dennard and Arrington have played well for the most part as well. Gronk will be at full strength by then. And Belichick has Manning's number.

So Talib is going to stop all 4 of our primary receiving targets every play??

[ERoyal248]

AJ Green, Julio Jones, and although Jimmy Graham isn't technically a WR he does usually line up as one. Honorary mention goes to Vincent Jackson, who may not be as good as any of your WRs, is still a very good one.

He will probably limit DT, but just means Julius, Wes, Decker, and others will get more targets.

Talib can only cover one guy.

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Actually 5th lowest and his 53rd lowest passer rating, in fact tampa did more to stop him despite allowing more yards and a higher completion % they allowed 1 TD and had 3 FG's and forced 2 INT's.

He moved the ball much better against the Bucs though. The Saints just had trouble once they got close to the end zone. We gave the Saints great field position most of the game (this was the offense and ST's fault) so that inflated their point totals. We even went for it on 4th down around our own 30 and didn't convert.

Our D played exceptionally well that game, as it has all season so far. This without Wilfork, Kelly, and Talib and Mayo towards the end.

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You are crazy if you judge a D off yards.

Which is a useless stat t judge a defense.

Its always points, third down defense, etc..

NE won its SB because of defense, running game, not because of Brady so.

No one is denying NE had a very good defense. But this argument that the reason Manning doesn't have as many SBs due to his poor defenses is just not accurate. Even in the games against us when we beat them their defense was not the problem. Manning's play takes a downturn come playoff time. Take a look at how he played even when he won the SB. His stats were atrocious. To reiterate - his D was responsible for that championship.

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Manning threw for 300 plus, three touchdowns last year, his 5th game back.

That, without Wes and Julius.

And NE had Wilfork and Mayo, soooo.

No Talib though. No Kelly. Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower, Alfonso Dennard were just rookies. All 3 of which have made a significant 2nd year leap. There is no comparison between this D and last year's. Last year's was atrocious in the first half when we played you. It improved somewhat in the 2nd half with the addition of Talib.

Your offense is undoubtedly better than it was but so is our D.

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So is Von Miller, k.

Didn't really help you much last year against us.

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He will probably limit DT, but just means Julius, Wes, Decker, and others will get more targets.

Talib can only cover one guy.

Arrington plays very well in the slot. He is a solid nickelback. I'm sure that has something to do with covering Welker in practice all these years. Dennard is a more than capable CB. And McCourty is one of the best safties in the league.

Denver will get their yards and their points for sure. No one is denying that. But it won't be as easy as it has been for you up to this point. I just don't see your defense doing much to stop Brady considering that our rookie WRs are improving each week and Gronk will be playing. Maybe Vereen too.

Your best bet is attacking us with Julius Thomas.