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  • PManningTKO
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    Luck and Wilson are the real deal. Cap has been figured out and RG3 is Michael Vick 2.0.

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  • CoryWinget81
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    Originally posted by assassin216 View Post
    How can someone be overrated when he doesn't have the receiver he's comfortable with and has an offensive coordinator that don't know what he's doing...That's like saying Jordy Nelson is a bad receiver,when he doesn't have a quarterback to throw him the ball outside of Aaron Rodgers...
    Most of the Packers WRs were unknowns until Rodgers came along. Manning always had a Harrison or Wayne to throw to but he also made a bunch of no-names into stat machines.

    Kaepernick may/may not be overrated. I think next year will be the bookmark year.

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by assassin216 View Post
    How can someone be overrated when he doesn't have the receiver he's comfortable with and has an offensive coordinator that don't know what he's doing...That's like saying Jordy Nelson is a bad receiver,when he doesn't have a quarterback to throw him the ball outside of Aaron Rodgers...
    Comparing a wide out to a QB is a bad comparison. Hate to say an over used phrase but it's apples and oranges. Kaep likes the ability to handle losing. His numbers has dropped and his performance has dropped since the Seattle game.
    Sure he doesn't have Crabtree or Manningham but he does have Davis, he does have Boldin, he does have Frank Gore. A good QB can make an average WR make plays. Something he seemingly can't do.

    Luck has less than Kaep, Brady had less than Kaep before Gronk came back....yet they kept winning.

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  • assassin216
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    Originally posted by Broncos724 View Post
    I think both Kaepernick and RG3 are doomed to a Michael Vick-like existence in the NFL if they don't ever learn how to make reads and throw from the pocket. They will be inconsistent, occasionally putting forth a monster game but good, disciplined D's can shut them down easily.

    You HAVE to be able to make quick, smart reads from the pocket and deliver an accurate ball. Of the young QBs, Luck, Wilson and Dalton display this the best. Cam Newton to my surprise is showing progression as well.
    How can you say Wilson is displaying the best when the Seahawks isn't asking him to do much...We all know about Dalton,he's way too inconsistent,so why even put Dalton on that list when he doesn't win the big games. ....And why would you be surprised about Cam,when he's always been good,the only difference between this year defense and last year's defense,the defense this year isn't giving up late touchdowns like they were last season...The secondary is still suspect...imo...

    Never understood how people got on Cam knowing full well it was the defense that cost them the games...

    As for Kap,the 49ers isn't running the read option like last season,so why would he get hurt.....The only time I see him running the ball is when everybody is covered and he's going out of bounds,unlike RG3,who always slowing down when he's running towards the sideline trying to get a unnecessary roughness call on the defense....

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  • assassin216
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    Originally posted by InsaneBlaze23 View Post
    He wasn't drafted high enough to be considered a bust. And no on is saying he is, just a bit overrated. Would you go as far as to say what Jaws said?
    How can someone be overrated when he doesn't have the receiver he's comfortable with and has an offensive coordinator that don't know what he's doing...That's like saying Jordy Nelson is a bad receiver,when he doesn't have a quarterback to throw him the ball outside of Aaron Rodgers...

    I've seen a few 49ers games this year and that team isn't built to throw the ball 30 times a game and yet they have an offensive coordinator that's trying to throw the ball knowing full well they don't have the receivers to do it....I remember watching the Colts game and the 49ers was running the ball with ease,in the first quarter,but somehow the offensive coordinator got away from it and start throwing the ball,for whatever reason...

    I agree,that Kap is playing bad at the moment,but to say he's overrated is ridiculous...Outside of Vernon Davis and Aquan Boldin,you can't name another receiver after them,because Kap's two main targets are out now....

    I just don't understand how people can call a player that's only started 16 games in his career overrated...makes no sense too me at all...

    As,for Jaws,this is the same guy that said that Tebow and Matt Flynn are quality quarterbacks in the league....One of them is out of the league,while the other been on 4 teams in 2 years....3 teams this season alone......Jaws has no credibility at all....

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  • Beagle
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    Yeah I think RGIII will be fine he has 2 good qb coaches and I think his is more of a second year slump/knee hang over

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by Broncos724 View Post
    I think both Kaepernick and RG3 are doomed to a Michael Vick-like existence in the NFL if they don't ever learn how to make reads and throw from the pocket. They will be inconsistent, occasionally putting forth a monster game but good, disciplined D's can shut them down easily.

    You HAVE to be able to make quick, smart reads from the pocket and deliver an accurate ball. Of the young QBs, Luck, Wilson and Dalton display this the best. Cam Newton to my surprise is showing progression as well.
    Difference is RGIII is actually a pocket QB, he just happens to know how to run. But you can't sit in the pocket if you're line can't protect you from a dandelion. That line is good enough for Morris to blow through but not good enough for RGIII to make reads, plant his feet, then throw the ball. Vick had/has a mediocre arm and was never gonna be or never said he wanted to be a pocket QB.

    Dalton has proven over the last few games that he is very inconsistent and is holding that team from ever being a Super Bowl threat.

    Out of the you QB's, Luck is what he is/was expected to be. Wilson is better than most would've thought. Cam is progressing and if he progresses to a point where he becomes a good leader and become mature, he can be a elite QB in this league.

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  • Broncos724
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    I think both Kaepernick and RG3 are doomed to a Michael Vick-like existence in the NFL if they don't ever learn how to make reads and throw from the pocket. They will be inconsistent, occasionally putting forth a monster game but good, disciplined D's can shut them down easily.

    You HAVE to be able to make quick, smart reads from the pocket and deliver an accurate ball. Of the young QBs, Luck, Wilson and Dalton display this the best. Cam Newton to my surprise is showing progression as well.

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  • RaiderFanSD
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    lmao @ including Wilson?? guy hasn't shown any sign of falling off

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  • CoryWinget81
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    The 49ers used levels in their pass scheme. Blow the top off, pull the safety down the field and have two WRs running almost identical in routes. One of the two would almost always pop free allowing Kaepernick to make a pretty easy throw. In the event one of the WRs didn't pop free underneath he'd take off running the opposite direction. NFL defenses (obviously) have caught up with this.

    I originally heard this from Cecil Lammey so I went and looked for myself, and it's 100% true.

    Kaepernick doesn't read defenses. He's got an arm and is very quick, but he hasn't learned how to play QB yet.

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  • ERoyal248
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    Originally posted by Broncoholic3233 View Post
    Yep, called this last year.

    Wilson is next.

    Both are so extremely overrated it's hilarious.
    Wilson is the real deal.

    I did say i thought Kap would regress but that was also because of the Crabtree injury.

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  • Beagle
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    Originally posted by Broncoholic3233 View Post
    Yep, called this last year.

    Wilson is next.

    Both are so extremely overrated it's hilarious.
    Wilson..in Seattle? the same Wilson thats been running the west coast offense since college and now runs it in the nfl? Just because they run a tiny tinnie bit of read option/pistol?: The reason it still works for them is that they actual run a PRO offense, same reason the pistol; works for Manning when he is not a threat to run at all.That Russel kids the real deal. I wish we had drafted him tbh

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  • Broncoholic3233
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    Yep, called this last year.

    Wilson is next.

    Both are so extremely overrated it's hilarious.

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  • fallforward3y+
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    Originally posted by BR0NC0S4lLIFE3 View Post
    Kinda? I feel like they would have been better off with Smith. I'm not big on running QBs in general. None of them seem to pan out. I'm happy with Smith and think he was a HUGE upgrade from what we have had in a while. I'm happy he's our QB but would not be upset if we drafted another one.
    Vick did pretty well in Atlanta, Cam is doing well now. The problem is, that a lot of running QBs only take off if they had a big lane, which makes them easier to shut down. Cam and Vick would, at least at times run through traffic.

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  • BayAreaFBFan
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    The league has caught up to Kap. He is holding on the ball too long and is not making his progression reads quick enough. The lack of good WR's is also a factor. BTW, I thought I would share a funny post on the Niners forum. Somebody rigged the Brees postgame video with a stretched neck..LOL!! Page 1 on the thread about six posts in. http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/ni...wasnt-penalty/

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