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  • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    my logic is you have to look at a players entire body of work which includes winning and performance at your position, not just rings like what you are doing. go back and read the post you said that was stupid.
    hmmm thats sounds exactly


    OPOSITE OF YOUR PEYTON IS A CHOKER AURGUEMENT SPEWED NON STOP ALL YEAR
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    • Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
      Dont care about that, i would absolutely take Rivers over Eli.

      Anyone who has an ounce of football knowledge would too and judging by your posts, you sure as heck dont have any of it.

      i have enough sense to not fall in love with a qb

      if your honesly saying...rivers extra yards and 20 tds means more to you...then two sb wins


      then you are hopelessly infatuated with rivers...
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      • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
        hmmm thats sounds exactly


        OPOSITE OF YOUR PEYTON IS A CHOKER AURGUEMENT SPEWED NON STOP ALL YEAR
        if you are mentally retarded i guess it does. when i say i judge a QB by his entire body of work, what do you think that means?

        i don't judge any QB just by just winning or just by stats, i judge them by winning, stats, performance.....everything that is relevant to a QB and that's exactly how i have always judged them.

        no i don't judge peyton solely by his win loss record in the playoffs like you pretend i do, just because i hold him accountable for his teams wins and losses.

        if i did i wouldn't think he is one of the greatest to ever play. you seriously have to be completely football ignorant to actually believe that QB's are not judged by winning by most people, because they are.

        but they are also judged by performance as well, its just common sense, something you clearly lack.

        i am sure as the sun will rise tomorrow that if peyton gets all the credit for winning you would not have a problem with that, because he does on a regular basis.

        so its only logical to give him a good portion of the blame when his team looses, that goes for any QB that is the leader of their team like rivers or manning.

        i am done explaining this to you, if you cannot figure out this very simple and basic logic then you are utterly hopeless.

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        • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
          i have enough sense to not fall in love with a qb

          if your honesly saying...rivers extra yards and 20 tds means more to you...then two sb wins


          then you are hopelessly infatuated with rivers...
          put rivers on that NY team and you likely have those same rings if not more. you put eli in SD and you very likely don't have any. with rivers NY would have actual leadership and a QB able to carry that team unlike eli. eli wasn't carrying those teams to those SB wins, you are acting like he is drew brees or aaron rodgers

          eli is garbage and you are here defending him. doesn't really surprise me though, when it comes to QB's you have a history of being pretty damn clueless.

          what really kills me is you want to give him a free pass because you say its only one year. did you ever give rivers that same pass? HELL NO YOU DIDN'T.

          eli sucks man, deal with it.

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          • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
            put rivers on that NY team and you likely have those same rings if not more. you put eli in SD and you very likely don't have any. with rivers NY would have actual leadership and a QB able to carry that team unlike eli. eli wasn't carrying those teams to those SB wins, you are acting like he is drew brees or aaron rodgers

            eli is garbage and you are here defending him. doesn't really surprise me though, when it comes to QB's you have a history of being pretty damn clueless.

            what really kills me is you want to give him a free pass because you say its only one year. did you ever give rivers that same pass? HELL NO YOU DIDN'T.

            eli sucks man, deal with it.
            But he did carry them in 2011 a FACT you keep ignoring because yours just a hater..
            Originally posted by baphamet
            are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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            • 2011 Comparison

              Eli.. 4933 yds 29 TD's 16 INT's Qbr 93

              Rivers..4624 yds 27TD's 20 INT's Qbr 88.7

              Clearly Eli sucks beyond belief this year, but not so much other years.

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              • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                i have enough sense to not fall in love with a qb

                if your honesly saying...rivers extra yards and 20 tds means more to you...then two sb wins


                then you are hopelessly infatuated with rivers...
                I dont fall in love with any QB, hell i probably hate Rivers.

                But if its Rivers or Eli, its not even up for debate.

                Rivers in a landslide.

                Didnt know Eli played defense too?

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                • Originally posted by Beagle View Post
                  But he did carry them in 2011 a FACT you keep ignoring because yours just a hater..
                  He didnt carry them in 2011.

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                  • Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
                    He didnt carry them in 2011.
                    While I'm glad baph has someone to hang on his nuts I am afraid just because you said it doesn't make it true...

                    Eli Manning 2011 stats
                    yards 4933
                    TDs 29
                    ints 16
                    yards per attempt 8.4
                    season ending result Superbowl win

                    Ny Giants passing rank 5th best
                    Ny Giants rushing rank 32 or dead last in the league

                    2011 NY Giants defense 25th over all
                    passing defense 29th
                    rushing 19
                    scoring 25th






                    Playoff numbers
                    106 att
                    163 comp
                    65.03% comp%
                    1219 yds
                    9 td 1int
                    103.3 QBrating

                    SuperBowl numbers
                    30 att
                    40 comp
                    75.00% comp%
                    296yds
                    1td(game winner)
                    0 int
                    103.7 QB rating

                    How is that Not Eli carrying them?
                    Last edited by Beagle; 12-21-2013, 03:31 PM.
                    Originally posted by baphamet
                    are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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                    • Originally posted by Beagle View Post
                      While I'm glad baph has someone to hang on his nuts I am afraid just because you said it doesn't make it true...

                      Eli Manning 2011 stats
                      yards 4933
                      TDs 29
                      ints 16
                      yards per attempt 8.4
                      season ending result Superbowl win

                      Ny Giants passing rank 5th best
                      Ny Giants rushing rank 32 or dead last in the league

                      2011 NY Giants defense 25th over all
                      passing defense 29th
                      rushing 19
                      scoring 25th






                      Playoff numbers
                      106 att
                      163 comp
                      65.03% comp%
                      1219 yds
                      9 td 1int
                      103.3 QBrating

                      SuperBowl numbers
                      30 att
                      40 comp
                      75.00% comp%
                      296yds
                      1td(game winner)
                      0 int
                      103.7 QB rating

                      How is that Not Eli carrying them?
                      Rate their numbers on defense in 2011?

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                      • i think we found the vice president of the philis rivers fan club ...right under baps lead
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                        • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                          i think we found the vice president of the philis rivers fan club ...right under baps lead
                          cuz i said Rivers > Eli?

                          Anyone would say that who understands the game.

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                          • Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
                            Rate their numbers on defense in 2011?
                            Well it was already in the post you quoted in BOLD LETTERS but you seem, to also share Baphs inability to comprehend what you read so here ya go again
                            2011
                            NY Giants defense 25th over all
                            passing defense 29th
                            rushing 19
                            scoring 25th
                            Last edited by Beagle; 12-21-2013, 08:35 PM.
                            Originally posted by baphamet
                            are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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                            • Originally posted by Beagle View Post
                              Well it was already in the post you quoted in BOLD LETTERS but you seem, to also share Baphs inability to comprehend what you read so here ya go again
                              2011
                              NY Giants defense 25th over all
                              passing defense 29th
                              rushing 19
                              scoring 25th
                              In the playoffs, keep up.

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                              • Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
                                In the playoffs, keep up.
                                Keep up with what? You didn't say playoffs or even imply it ...you a woman or a kid?

                                The playoffs actually have nothing to do with him carrying his team through the 2011 season into the playoffs where he continued to play well and even raised his play.. You think they make the playoff that year with out him? You can not say it with out looking extremely stupid but go ahead and try..


                                Carrying a team implies you carried them to something..he carried them to the playoffs where his defense played better for 2 games (Pats and vs The Falcons.) The other 2 (Packers and Niners) not so much.


                                http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/nyg/2011.htm any thing else you want to know is there. Lessons are over for today kiddo:thumb:
                                Originally posted by baphamet
                                are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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