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    I know this doesn't really belong in smack because it isn't at all but I wanted a cross section of fan bases opinions



    Does anyone think this is way worse than hitting a defenseless Wr or hammering someone hoping the ball comes loose?
    Originally posted by baphamet
    are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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    Originally posted by Beagle View Post
    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...rted-off-field

    I know this doesn't really belong in smack because it isn't at all but I wanted a cross section of fan bases opinions



    Does anyone think this is way worse than hitting a defenseless Wr or hammering someone hoping the ball comes loose?
    Yeah I do. This poor guy worked his but off coming back from injury and now he has probably a torn acl.
    Its not the nfl many of us grew up watching.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Beagle View Post
      http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...rted-off-field

      I know this doesn't really belong in smack because it isn't at all but I wanted a cross section of fan bases opinions



      Does anyone think this is way worse than hitting a defenseless Wr or hammering someone hoping the ball comes loose?
      yup it was the natural progression once you took hitting high off the table. I still remember Decker going down in the playoffs against the Steelers.

      but the league is worried about concussions so these knee injuries are just going to go up.




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      • #4
        I would be willing to bet cold hard cash that if you took a poll of players in the NFL, and asked them, "Would you rather get a concussion or have someone blast you in the knees" they would say with +/- 90% majority they would rather get the concussion.

        When you start taking away people's money, and affecting the ability of teams to play with penalties etc. the collateral damage is going to be star players, lost for entire seasons with knees that will likely need full replacements before they hit 40.

        You can't eliminate risk from this game. It is 100% impossible.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Beagle View Post
          http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...rted-off-field

          I know this doesn't really belong in smack because it isn't at all but I wanted a cross section of fan bases opinions



          Does anyone think this is way worse than hitting a defenseless Wr or hammering someone hoping the ball comes loose?

          You can thank NFL Execs(Goodell n friends )meddling with the rules that have been in place for years
          The beatings will continue until morale improves....

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          • #6
            There are several elements involved in this issue, and I do not believe the new rules, penalties or fines regarding head hunting have anything at all to do with the Gronk situation.

            First of all, from time immemorial, defensive players, especially CBs and safeties, faced with bringing a beast like Gronk down are going to go low. It seems to take a minimum of three players to drag him down when he's lost his head of steam. Check the replay and Gronk was steaming downfield and one would have to be insane to try to hit him above the waist under those conditions.

            Secondly, given all of the above reasons, I don't believe the defender was determined to cripple Gronk, but I also think he would have had no problem getting him lout of the game. That's all part of the game.

            Third, the fact is, time and space came into full play on that unfortunate hit. Gronk's foot was on the ground, cleats biting the turf, at the exact moment the defender made the hit. one millisecond either way, and there would have been no ACL tear, of that I am reasonably certain.

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            • #7
              its at least as bad IMO

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mr Bojangles View Post
                There are several elements involved in this issue, and I do not believe the new rules, penalties or fines regarding head hunting have anything at all to do with the Gronk situation.

                First of all, from time immemorial, defensive players, especially CBs and safeties, faced with bringing a beast like Gronk down are going to go low. It seems to take a minimum of three players to drag him down when he's lost his head of steam. Check the replay and Gronk was steaming downfield and one would have to be insane to try to hit him above the waist under those conditions.

                Secondly, given all of the above reasons, I don't believe the defender was determined to cripple Gronk, but I also think he would have had no problem getting him lout of the game. That's all part of the game.

                Third, the fact is, time and space came into full play on that unfortunate hit. Gronk's foot was on the ground, cleats biting the turf, at the exact moment the defender made the hit. one millisecond either way, and there would have been no ACL tear, of that I am reasonably certain.
                I respect your opinion, but I think being fined has more to do with it. I'm not saying that Gronkowski's size didn't have anything to do with it though.



                This was his response to being fined for the above hit:

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spice 1 View Post
                  I respect your opinion, but I think being fined has more to do with it. I'm not saying that Gronkowski's size didn't have anything to do with it though.



                  This was his response to being fined for the above hit:
                  http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-de...ard_on_hi.html
                  Your right and the crazy thing is Ogeltree played the following week. But never played football,can't relate to nfl players, or anyone who does blue collar work Roger Goodell is fixing the NFL!
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                  • #10
                    Bojangles has a point. DB's use to go low on Shannon Sharpe all the time, and he wasn't as big as Gronk. It use to really piss me off.
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                    • #11
                      What happened to Gronk is just a part of football. There are risks involved, despite what Roger Goodell would have you believe. He has in no way, shape, or form made the game safer for players.

                      It disturbs me to think where football is headed. When you eliminate hitting someone anywhere above the waist (because a hit to the chest seemingly will draw a flag just as quickly as a hit to the head will), there's only one place for a defender to go. I just wonder what Goodell will do next as these blown knees pile up. The joke is that players will wear flags sometime down the line. It might not be too far-fetched if Goodell has his way. And then football fans will have to listen to him as he spews some drivel about football's best days being ahead of us. Disgusting.

                      Players wear the equipment to protect themselves. Make the equipment as sturdy and protective as possible, and even then players are going to get hurt. It will not be avoided. Anyone who's worried about that should step away from the game -- from Roger Goodell all the way down to the backup QB.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dizzolve View Post
                        You can thank NFL Execs(Goodell n friends )meddling with the rules that have been in place for years
                        They got sued for some $800,000,000 over the concussion thing. Blaming Goodell is a bit shortsighted. It's not that he was being proactive. He was reacting.

                        IMO, these front/side hits to the knees are the WORST hits in the game.
                        Last edited by ruksak; 12-10-2013, 03:23 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ruksak View Post
                          They got sued for some $800,000,000 over the concussion thing. Blaming Goodell is a bit shortsighted. It's not that he was being proactive. He was reacting.

                          IMO, these front/side hits to the knees are the WORST hits in the game.
                          Rusak is right. I'm not a fan of Goodell but his has have been tied to lawsuits from the players association.

                          You can't hit a guy high because you might appear to hit him near the head. So, you go low, which is the best option. Eventually the low hit will be fined and penalized as well, and football will become more of a touch football game. The game many of us love is going to change so much that it will not be worth watching.

                          The player's union and lawsuits will destroy the NFL.

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                          • #14
                            I hate to say it, but blows to the head are the worst hits in any sport. You build up enough hits to the head, and sooner or later, brain damage settles In. As a quad I can tell you that my head/brain area are more important to me, than anywhere else on my body
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                            • #15
                              sure goodell may be promted to impose stronger regulations....but those are not why guys are going low

                              they are going low because even with the ability to view all angles of a play....he is still imposeing huge fines on defenders...who didnt intend to hit the head....if you square up and lead with your shoulder...and the rec ducks to brace for the hit or to go under

                              how is that the fault of the defender....and if he never intended to...and clips show the receivers movements are the reason he was hit in the head....why fine him?

                              if goodell would stick to fining just guys who led with the helmet...or inentionaly targeted the head....i think defenders would be ok

                              but he chooses to fine even unintentional or accidental hits

                              thats why they go low
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