Broncos are Imploding....are you kidding me Denver? You suck!

[one_bad_55]

Tebow just needed one more year!

[Canmore]

Yep and Denver went from 8-8 to 13-3 by luck had nothing to do with manning right?

Tebow just needed one more year!

[58Miller]

Yeah they had the worst back ups in the league and a lot of injuries on defense. Two starting LBs go down, a starting corner, and starting strong safety as well as his back up. I still think the Colts tanked the season purposely for Luck.

Yep and Denver went from 8-8 to 13-3 by luck had nothing to do with manning right?

[EddieMac]

Well, if he was here to respond to this......

Like Birdman said....If you make the claim...back it....You call yourself

semi- expert (if I do say so myself..!)

then show us why you are.

Talking to myself, arn't I ?

[Mr Bojangles]

Burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So I'm guessing since you can't provide the information you can't prove your claims.

I have no "burden" to "prove" anything! If you don't agree with my comment and are comfortable with being wrong, then I say "Fine". Otherwise, go check it out on Colts' boards or NFL sites and figure it out for yourself.

I certainly don't intend to rummage thru three year-old facts to support my comments for the sake of appeasing a bunch of nay-sayers. That would be monumental waste of time. But if you're interested in trying to proving me wrong

[#87Birdman]

Burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So I'm guessing since you can't provide the information you can't prove your claims.

[bgpatsfan]

Well Thats a cute theory, and it remains as one unless you can have some form of proof of it.

"quietly some experts" doesn't cut it.

HOF QB went down + bad defence + lousy backup QB = team goes down. Pretty simple.

Yeah they had the worst back ups in the league and a lot of injuries on defense. Two starting LBs go down, a starting corner, and starting strong safety as well as his back up. I still think the Colts tanked the season purposely for Luck.

[Canmore]

Well Thats a cute theory, and it remains as one unless you can have some form of proof of it.

"quietly some experts" doesn't cut it.

HOF QB went down + bad defence + lousy backup QB = team goes down. Pretty simple.

Bo's short on proof and long on conspiracy theories.

[EddieMac]

As a semi- expert (if I do say so myself..!) of the Manning-led Colts, I would like to clarify something that often confuses the casual Manning/Colts fans regarding the topic of how Indy fell apart in 2011 when Peyton sat out the season. The Colts were headed on a rapid, down-hill sleigh ride by that season, after 2 uears of Coma Caldwell's leadership and were destined to finish out of the money that season, with or without Manning. Some astute NFL observers have even quietly suggested that Manning's decision to sit that one out was linked to his knowledge that the team was not going to fare very well anyways!

So, this myth that the Colts fell apart because of Peyton's absence is not really sustainable if you know all the facts, or do the research.

Well Thats a cute theory, and it remains as one unless you can have some form of proof of it.

"quietly some experts" doesn't cut it.

HOF QB went down + bad defence + lousy backup QB = team goes down. Pretty simple.

[Mr Bojangles]

Completing under 12 passes isnt carrying them. Blount carried them literally vs Indy.

Is that why when Manning missed the year, they won 2 freaking games, yet NE won 11 games when Brady was out.

Brady has always had the superior team, coach, roster, FO for most of their careers and its not even close.

Better OL's by far, better running game, superior defenses, better coach other than weapons which isnt a huge gap the last few years.

So barely better weapons equals better teams, ROFL.

More excuses for Brady, what else is new?

As a semi- expert (if I do say so myself..!) of the Manning-led Colts, I would like to clarify something that often confuses the casual Manning/Colts fans regarding the topic of how Indy fell apart in 2011 when Peyton sat out the season. The Colts were headed on a rapid, down-hill sleigh ride by that season, after 2 uears of Coma Caldwell's leadership and were destined to finish out of the money that season, with or without Manning. Some astute NFL observers have even quietly suggested that Manning's decision to sit that one out was linked to his knowledge that the team was not going to fare very well anyways!

So, this myth that the Colts fell apart because of Peyton's absence is not really sustainable if you know all the facts, or do the research.

[bgpatsfan]

This has already been talked about.

He did not carry them.

Two game winning drives and 1 4th quarter comeback in the 2001 postseason... just saying. He didn't carry them, but he was by no means carried by the defense. The defense needed him to come up big and he did. Hence the SB MVP.

And this:

2000 Drew Bledsoe starting; team was 5-11 and 25th total offense

2001 Tom Brady starting; team was 11-5 and 6th total offense

[ERoyal248]

Which is why in 2001 and 2004 they had a top 10 offense in the league

This has already been talked about.

He did not carry them.

[bgpatsfan]

Thats not the point, you act like they were crap and Brady carried them when it was the other way around.

Which is why in 2001 and 2004 they had a top 10 offense in the league

2000 Drew Bledsoe starting; team was 5-11 and 25th total offense

2001 Tom Brady starting; team was 11-5 and 6th total offense

[ERoyal248]

My response to this what you don't understand is that those players were all good and solid. None of them outside of Wilfork and Seymour were dominant. Those are the only two who have a shot at being HOF. They played good team defense and have probably one of the greatest coaches ever.

A lot of the players on that defense were names because of the success of the team. How many of those players left NE to do nothing elsewhere: McGinest, Vrabel, Ty Warren. Rodney Harrison was a player everyone thought was done and washed up; Patriots were the only team to offer him a contract he took it and proved everyone wrong. Seymour is the only one to go on and have continued success but the team valued Wilfork over Seymour. Asante Samuel is probably the most overrated player the league has ever seen.

That's what makes Belichick such a good coach; one piece leaves and another comes in takes over a role and the team doesn't skip a beat.

The difference was 2009 when the core of the defense left; we had holes at LB, CB, S, and DL. Our defense went to crap due to poor drafting see: Meriweather, Butler, Brace, Love, Guyton, etc.

Thats not the point, you act like they were crap and Brady carried them when it was the other way around.

[ERoyal248]

Brady has choked recently, but he has his track record of performance in the postseason to fall back on. Manning has choked recently and he doesn't have the same track record.

A track record of 9-10 years ago?

EOLOL.