Broncos are Imploding....are you kidding me Denver? You suck!

[58Miller]

I also love the fact how you are taking shots at Browner's character, but are overlooking the fact that Von was busted for the very same thing and has failed more drug tests/had much more serious transgressions since entering the league.

If both Browner and Von were Free Agents which one would you want New England to sign?

[bgpatsfan]

Nothing more needed to say.



No you don't. You feel sorry for yourself, and got butthurt about what someone said about you on the internet that doesn't even know you.

Poorly organized lines of logic. Feathers ruffled easily. A real catch lol

Nah I am pretty content, you still haven't clearly countered my observation that "many" NFL players with exemptions is clearly disproportionate to the 4% of the population that you state need to use adderall.

Lol yeah I do feel sorry for you, do you really think I care what you say? Literally you couldn't disprove what I said about adderall exemptions so you resorted to questioning my intelligence. You are clearly doing this in an attempt to attack my credibility in attempt to boost your own. Doesn't work that way bro.

But I mean if you feel important from making personal attacks on the internet, more power to you.

[bgpatsfan]

If both Browner and Von were Free Agents which one would you want New England to sign?

Off the field questions aside, Von and its not even close.

Drug/Legal Issues considered, Browner. He will not cost nearly as much as Von and I think I would trust Browner more; I have not seen one ounce of remorse from Von that he was suspended and remember how he wouldn't guarantee he would never get in trouble again. Add in the rest of the traffic ticket/court issues and Von just doesn't convince me that he has his life in order. I would not trust him giving him a 10+ million a year contract.

[kishzilla]

I'm not an expert on steroids, so why don't you explain all those legit reasons why a person might need them in order to play, other than the obvious strength-building and tissue regeneration?

Certain forms of anemia, osteoporosis, and hereditary angiodema are all treated by anabolic steroids.

But that's not the point. The point is, just because a legitimate reason exists, doesn't mean it's not being abused, and I think it's pretty obvious that there is abuse going on.

Are you suggesting that any player who suffers from ADD or ADHD should be disqualified from a career in professional sports, solely because of the medication they may require?

You have quite the imagination. I didn't suggest, imply, or make apparent in any way shape or form that what you just suggested was what I was getting at.

Nice try at the straw-man though lol

Isn't that a bit like the anti-gun crowd insisting that the only way to end gun violence is to take the firearms away from all of us?

Actually it's more like, "Hey, that athlete was taking amphetamines and didn't even try to get an exemption for it. He was probably taking it for nefarious reasons".

You New Englanders have a severe lack of common sense. I think the smell of your own bull crap has rotted out that portion of your brains.

[kishzilla]

Nah I am pretty content, you still haven't clearly countered my observation that "many" NFL players with exemptions is clearly disproportionate to the 4% of the population that you state need to use adderall.

Lol yeah I do feel sorry for you, do you really think I care what you say? Literally you couldn't disprove what I said about adderall exemptions so you resorted to questioning my intelligence. You are clearly doing this in an attempt to attack my credibility in attempt to boost your own. Doesn't work that way bro.

But I mean if you feel important from making personal attacks on the internet, more power to you.

You dedicated the majority of that post to whining. Yeah, I'd say you care

[kishzilla]

I also love the fact how you are taking shots at Browner's character, but are overlooking the fact that Von was busted for the very same thing and has failed more drug tests/had much more serious transgressions since entering the league.

Do you see me defending Miller? If I was in here trying to suggest that because Miller could get a prescription for Marijuana in Colorado for some bogus reason that he got some Doc of ill-repute to go ahead with, he should be allowed to smoke it anyway, and everybody should just shut up about it, in spite of the fact that the league says he can't, then, and only then, would I look and sound like you do in your posts in this thread.

Doesn't that sound pretty stupid to you?

Yeah, I bet you love every bit of that. You just love it to pieces.

[TommyBrady12]

What's great about next year is the pats schedule is easier than denver. We play the NFC north while you guys play the NFC west lol. This means if both teams make it to the AFC championship it will be in foxboro.

[58Miller]

What's great about next year is the pats schedule is easier than denver. We play the NFC north while you guys play the NFC west lol. This means if both teams make it to the AFC championship it will be in foxboro.

Foxboro or Denver either way the Broncos will be the more battle tested team. They will have played on the road already in Seattle, Foxboro , and Cincy. I'm glad Denver has the second hardest schedule. Oakland's schedule is more difficult because they play the Broncos twice!

[TommyBrady12]

Foxboro or Denver either way the Broncos will be the more battle tested team. They will have played on the road already in Seattle, Foxboro , and Cincy. I'm glad Denver has the second hardest schedule. Oakland's schedule is more difficult because they play the Broncos twice!

Peyton has as much trouble in foxboro as brady does in denver

[#87Birdman]

Nah I am pretty content, you still haven't clearly countered my observation that "many" NFL players with exemptions is clearly disproportionate to the 4% of the population that you state need to use adderall.

Lol yeah I do feel sorry for you, do you really think I care what you say? Literally you couldn't disprove what I said about adderall exemptions so you resorted to questioning my intelligence. You are clearly doing this in an attempt to attack my credibility in attempt to boost your own. Doesn't work that way bro.

But I mean if you feel important from making personal attacks on the internet, more power to you.

Didn't you claim earlier that most players didn't even know it was a banned drug. Yet here you are using that many have exempts to use it. So which one is it? People don't know it is banned or many have exempts to use it?

[Mr Bojangles]

Peyton has as much trouble in foxboro as brady does in denver

Whoa.... Manning has much more trouble in Foxboro than Tommy has in Denver!

Combine a little extra adrenaline of a playoff game with Denver's thin air and you have the only reason NE didn't defy all odds and embarrass the Broncos last season. Two slightly overthrown balls, all due to the aforementioned factors are all that separated Tommy and the Pats from another SB appearance! :dance:

[bgpatsfan]

Didn't you claim earlier that most players didn't even know it was a banned drug. Yet here you are using that many have exempts to use it. So which one is it? People don't know it is banned or many have exempts to use it?

It could depend on the situation. Look at Tyler Sash; got prescribed it by a doctor to take care of nerves before public speaking and didn't realize it was banned if he had a prescription for it.

Sash stated that he was under a doctor's treatment when he took Adderall for an anxiety situation. Kinda surprised he didn't challenge the league on that suspension. Richard Sherman has agreed with this notion of "Who is the league to tell a player they can't take a prescription if the doctor is treating them for a health issue". I really don't think it would hold up in court, because a) there is no definite test for ADHD; it is a doctor's evaluation that is the test and b) how could a subjective evaluation of one player grant an exemption and ban the substance from another player with a prescription. Sounds like discrimination law suit to me.

The article also cites Woodyard for saying that the supplements that are banned are hard to remember because they get emails every week with hundreds of supplements that are being added to the banned list.

The fact is, that none of us know any of the details of the situations and the status of Adderall exemptions in the league. I am merely pointing out possible explanations for the use of the drug. I have been harping on the fact of exemptions because Kish has brought up time and time again that only 4% of the population need the drug, when it appears that a disproportionate group of players have been granted exemptions for the drug.

I just think its hilarious that Kish thinks he has proved anything wrong. Because the fact is he can't prove anything I have said wrong unless he has inside knowledge of the NFL drug testing system. He can't prove anything and has resorted to personal attacks instead.

[#87Birdman]

It could depend on the situation. Look at Tyler Sash; got prescribed it by a doctor to take care of nerves before public speaking and didn't realize it was banned if he had a prescription for it.

The article also cites Woodyard for saying that the supplements that are banned are hard to remember because they get emails every week with hundreds of supplements that are being added to the banned list.

The fact is, that none of us no any of the details of the situations and the status of Adderall exemptions in the league. I am merely pointing out possible explanations for the use of the drug. I have been harping on the fact of exemptions because Kish has brought up time and time again that only 4% of the population need the drug, when it appears that a disproportionate group of players have been granted exemptions for the drug.

I just think its hilarious that Kish thinks he has proved anything wrong. Because the fact is he can't prove anything I have said wrong unless he has inside knowledge of the NFL drug testing system. He can't prove anything and has resorted to personal attacks instead.

Well he did point out that the MLB has it up to 9% which would indicate that sport athletes may tend to take it more or find ways to get it prescribed more than the average person. So in a league with 1700+ players with that percentage you are looking at 170ish players that are exempt. So it is possible that many of the people Woodyard knows could be exempt. Because many is subjective base on how many is considered many. 10, 20, 50?


Also your fact is probably right mainly because I don't know how to "no" details

[bgpatsfan]

Well he did point out that the MLB has it up to 9% which would indicate that sport athletes may tend to take it more or find ways to get it prescribed more than the average person. So in a league with 1700+ players with that percentage you are looking at 170ish players that are exempt. So it is possible that many of the people Woodyard knows could be exempt. Because many is subjective base on how many is considered many. 10, 20, 50?


Also your fact is probably right mainly because I don't know how to "no" details

Oops good catch typing pretty fast add wrote none twice but didn't change the second one to know lol.

I also don't see how it could hold up in court that a purely subjective evaluation of an individual would allow some players exemptions for their prescriptions and others to be denied an exemption.

Its not like steroids or HGH where the doctor can point out evidence in medical tests proving that the player's testosterone or growth hormone levels are deficient and need to be boosted.

[TommyBrady12]

Whoa.... Manning has much more trouble in Foxboro than Tommy has in Denver!

Combine a little extra adrenaline of a playoff game with Denver's thin air and you have the only reason NE didn't defy all odds and embarrass the Broncos last season. Two slightly overthrown balls, all due to the aforementioned factors are all that separated Tommy and the Pats from another SB appearance! :dance:

Not sure I agree with that. While denver only won by 10 points, they deserved that game. If gronk played, the offense wouldn't have looked so bad and it probably would have been closer like the regular season game.