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  • #46
    Originally posted by RolandDeschain View Post
    I'm a PFF subscriber for one reason - their raw stats accumulation. You can check all kinds of factual-based stats there that provide interesting information and perspective. Their "grades" are garbage. Some are highly accurate, some are ridiculously pathetic and wildly off, etc.; you simply cannot trust their grades.

    Easily worth the $27/year for the factual-based information they provide in my opinion, however. They have all kinds of cool stuff to look at that isn't "opinion-based" like their grades.
    Let me guess the grades you dont agree with,
    Manning grades higher than Wilson?
    Von Miller grades higher than any of your linebackers?
    Gives us some examples of these grades you dont agree with.
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    • #47
      I 100% agree with Roland.. they give great factual imformation such as a corner's snap number in coverage, how many times they are targeted, how many receptions/tds/yards given up. The problem is when they try to use their opinion to formulate a grade on each player.

      Talib barely being in the top 60 corners in the league is definitely one grade that is worth checking out for starters. Earl Thomas barely being a top 10 safety. The list can go on and on

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      • #48
        Originally posted by bgpatsfan View Post
        Just looked it up. Forced one punt, but they also forced Seattle to turn it over on downs twice. A couple things stand out to me, Seattle did not have a scoring drive longer than 60 yards because Broncos offense always ensured Seattle started with great field position. The only time Denver forced a punt is when Denver's defense started with good field positon (inside Seattle's 20). The majority of the time, Seattle was getting the ball around their own 40.

        Just looked it up and the log of Denver's drives I think really tells the story:
        1. Safety (-14 yards)
        2. Punt (8 yds)
        3. Interception (3 yds)
        4. Interception returned for TD (49 yds)
        5. Downs (48 yds)
        6. Punt (38 yds)
        7. Fumble ( 34 yds)
        8. Touchdown (80 yds)
        9. Downs (40 yds)
        10. Fumble (-2 yds)
        11. Game over (3 yds)
        One of those was when they were running clock, and got stopped for a run on 4th down when the game was clearly over.

        Again, defense wasnt horrendous but not great either.

        If only they could give up 17 and 21 points and still lose!

        Believe they had two TD's where 2-4 missed tackles lead to a TD among other things, defense was not as good as you made it out to be but thats to be no surprise either.

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        • #49
          Here's more #'s from the great Broncos defense in the SB like bg keeps claiming.

          0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 7-12 on 3rd downs.

          Wilson was barely touched, he could take a dump and still find someone open, there was no one near him all game.

          I honestly dont know if anyone on Den touched him, legit serious, he had that much time to throw, it was insane.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
            Here's more #'s from the great Broncos defense in the SB like bg keeps claiming.

            0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 7-12 on 3rd downs.

            Wilson was barely touched, he could take a dump and still find someone open, there was no one near him all game.

            I honestly dont know if anyone on Den touched him, legit serious, he had that much time to throw, it was insane.
            Not saying defense was great but they played MUCH better than the O. Look at the 1st half of the game, Broncos D played great considering the offense couldn't get a first down and was turning the ball over left and right. The D had zero rest and was put in a bad field position by the offense. Let's be real, Broncos were lucky the score was only 22-0 at half.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by bgpatsfan View Post
              Not saying defense was great but they played MUCH better than the O. Look at the 1st half of the game, Broncos D played great considering the offense couldn't get a first down and was turning the ball over left and right. The D had zero rest and was put in a bad field position by the offense. Let's be real, Broncos were lucky the score was only 22-0 at half.
              The O sucked, of course it was, you arent really making sense.

              Wilson converted 3rd down after 3rd down.

              Not saying the defense was awful but they got zero turnovers, zero sacks, zero QB hits, nothing, you need a turnover or two in a big game like that.

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