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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    you have never seen me question if 58miller has a life or whine when people talk bad about the chargers either. he actually takes smack personal like you have on occasion as well and it's actually pretty sad i have to explain basic things to him constantly. like why the term "well rounded" doesn't mean "good" or "best".

    your first point about saying WTH? yeah WTH does that have anything to do with being offended?

    you make no sense and the fact that you are sticking up for him really says it all, you're the only one that does.....literally.
    When have you seen me take anything personal? I am here posting every day.

    I’m not gonna say this place is a joke but this section with you in it sure as hell cracks me up.

    Never once have I taken offense to anything in here and I’ve never once seen anybody take as much offense in here as you do but keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.

    By the way there’s other threads with my post quoting your ridiculousness and you really should respond otherwise you’ll look like a procrastinating weenie.

    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...67#post5728167

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    you have never seen me question if 58miller has a life or whine when people talk bad about the chargers either. he actually takes smack personal like you have on occasion as well and it's actually pretty sad i have to explain basic things to him constantly. like why the term "well rounded" doesn't mean "good" or "best".

    your first point about saying WTH? yeah WTH does that have anything to do with being offended?

    you make no sense and the fact that you are sticking up for him really says it all, you're the only one that does.....literally.

    Baphs giving himself a little pep talk before the super Emo post above:


    Baphs in all seriousness take a break from smack until the Chargers win a game, your getting too worked up.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Really, 58miller is easily offended?
    I’ve never seen him use the abbreviated term “WTH” or “WTH are you talking about” as much as I’ve seen you do it!

    Nor have I seen him have to go back and have to explain his post as much as I’ve seen you. lol
    I think you’re the one that is easily offended when your own words are used against you, hence “best team on paper derrr” or “let’s see if geno can be better than any bronco QBs derrr”.

    It’s actually pretty funny watching you get mad when your words are used against you and it happens every day!
    you have never seen me question if 58miller has a life or whine when people talk bad about the chargers either. he actually takes smack personal like you have on occasion as well and it's actually pretty sad i have to explain basic things to him constantly. like why the term "well rounded" doesn't mean "good" or "best".

    your first point about saying WTH? yeah WTH does that have anything to do with being offended?

    you make no sense and the fact that you are sticking up for him really says it all, you're the only one that does.....literally.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    you really take this to heart don't you?

    if you can't handle me talking bad about the broncos, why the hell do you come to the smack section?

    it says "not for the easily offended" under the description for a reason, that means you!
    Really, 58miller is easily offended?
    I’ve never seen him use the abbreviated term “WTH” or “WTH are you talking about” as much as I’ve seen you do it!

    Nor have I seen him have to go back and have to explain his post as much as I’ve seen you. lol
    I think you’re the one that is easily offended when your own words are used against you, hence “best team on paper derrr” or “let’s see if geno can be better than any bronco QBs derrr”.

    It’s actually pretty funny watching you get mad when your words are used against you and it happens every day!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    He’s not here to smack talk he comes here to complain, and protest the Denver Broncos in general. Apparently our team ruined his life.
    you really take this to heart don't you?

    if you can't handle me talking bad about the broncos, why the hell do you come to the smack section?

    it says "not for the easily offended" under the description for a reason, that means you!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Been almost 5 hours and still no explanation?
    Do you just like to complain or debate?
    i don't live here dude and i don't care, i'm no't explaining stuff to you anymore.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    no, i said if you ignore snap count his pressures were. never once said he was as good as the bets edge rushers in the game but then again, if i did i would have been proven right

    no you used a fantasy stat article that had Melvin listed as a top ten pass rusher based upon pressures per defensive snap...and insisted it proved ow great Melvin was, if we don't look at tackles, hits, ff, sacks and just focus on PPDS...of which at the time of the article that was all Melvin did was come in as a situational pass rusher so is % would be swayed over guys that spend snaps playing coverage or rush defense....you just refused to accept truth
    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...56#post4728356

    notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has.



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    that isn't true at all, he was playing coverage snaps but he was hurt a lot and he wasn't the starter at first. the main reason he played mostly (not all) pass rushing snaps is because we had jarret johnson who was good against the run and pass.

    von miller had to develop as well, he was a pass rushing specialist in college....even though he developed rather quickly.
    and it doesn't change the fact that an guy like von, or mack are in rush defense, or coverage multiple snaps and that would in fact effect the numbers as opposed to a guy like Melvin that simply for what ever reason...mainly played pass rush



    he's better today for sure but like i told you COUNTLESS TIMES we saw flashes of that dominance, he was extremely disruptive even back then but he couldn't stay healthy.
    and again he is better today...but at the time of the discussion....he had nothing comparable to be considered a great or good pass rusher.that was the entire point

    5 sacks as a ass rush specialist in his first 3 seasons...von had 35 in his first three season
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    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...29#post4727729
    lol....i do know that not getting the qb off his spot and getting there after the ball is already gone....is not much pressure

    when Melvin starts to actually hit the qb...force him to move off his spot....then you can brag about all his "pressure"
    but if his "pressure" is inconsequential to whether the play is successful or not...?

    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...03#post4728703

    so your fantasy stats proves he was good?...

    lets use real stats, not fantasy stat criterias
    but both use the same criteria to define a qb pressure...sacks, hits..hurries


    melvin had 115 pass rush snaps...17 qb pressures...1 sack..2 hits..14 hurries

    1 sack per every 115 pass rush snaps....1 hit per every 57.5 pass rush snaps

    compare to the good pass rushers

    miller had 260 pass rush snaps
    1 sack per every 14 pass rush snaps...1 qb hit per every 10.8 pass rush snaps
    A smith 271 pass rush snaps
    1 sack per every 13.8 pass rush snaps...1 hit per every 9 pass rush snaps
    D ware...231 pass rush snaps
    1 sack per every 20 pass rush snaps...1 hit per 11.5 pass rush snaps
    J houston...155 pr snaps
    1 sack per every 15.5 pass rush snaps...1 hit per every 8.1 pass rush snaps
    clay mathews..291 pass rush snaps
    1 sack per every 22.3 pass rush snaps...1 hit per every 10.7 pass rush snaps

    so although your fantasy stat link said melvin was a good pass rusher...in reality he was just a guy who could occasionaly "hurry " the qb along
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    a better analogy would be like me trashing a player because he's hurt constantly and has little arms and when someone told me that they have indeed dominated at times i laugh and make fun of them for saying that. but when the dude stays healthy and starts dominating more consistently i then throw my arms up and simply say "i never said he wouldn't develop into a great player"
    gutless.
    because I never said he wouldn't or couldn't...I said at that time...he wasn't. fact
    Last edited by arapaho; 09-06-2018, 10:14 AM.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    I think it changes on what excuse is being used
    He’s not here to smack talk he comes here to complain, and protest the Denver Broncos in general. Apparently our team ruined his life.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Been almost 5 hours and still no explanation?
    Do you just like to complain or debate?
    I think it changes on what excuse is being used

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    LOL irony because this post makes zero sense.

    none of what you just said has much to do with either team finishing where i said they would, i also didn't predict that keenum would get hurt, go back and read it again.

    you clowns will never understand what the term "well rounded" means. teams one dimensional have won lots of games before, Being balanced isn't the be all end all.
    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Explain your definition
    Been almost 5 hours and still no explanation?
    Do you just like to complain or debate?

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    LOL irony because this post makes zero sense.

    none of what you just said has much to do with either team finishing where i said they would, i also didn't predict that keenum would get hurt, go back and read it again.

    you clowns will never understand what the term "well rounded" means. teams one dimensional have won lots of games before, Being balanced isn't the be all end all.
    Explain your definition
    Last edited by 58Miller; 09-03-2018, 10:13 PM.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    He did say that!!!!!
    .....what’s interesting this year is he has the bolts going 11-5 and Denver going 9-7. He said the Chargers have a more well rounded team than the Broncos and that Geno Smith is arguably better than Keenum, who he predicts will get injured. Seems like that would make the Bolts a lot better than 2games, but really rap when has baphs ever made much sense?
    LOL irony because this post makes zero sense.

    none of what you just said has much to do with either team finishing where i said they would, i also didn't predict that keenum would get hurt, go back and read it again.

    you clowns will never understand what the term "well rounded" means. teams one dimensional have won lots of games before, Being balanced isn't the be all end all.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    no, i said if you ignore snap count his pressures were. never once said he was as good as the bets edge rushers in the game but then again, if i did i would have been proven right



    that isn't true at all, he was playing coverage snaps but he was hurt a lot and he wasn't the starter at first. the main reason he played mostly (not all) pass rushing snaps is because we had jarret johnson who was good against the run and pass.

    von miller had to develop as well, he was a pass rushing specialist in college....even though he developed rather quickly.



    he's better today for sure but like i told you COUNTLESS TIMES we saw flashes of that dominance, he was extremely disruptive even back then but he couldn't stay healthy.



    a better analogy would be like me trashing a player because he's hurt constantly and has little arms and when someone told me that they have indeed dominated at times i laugh and make fun of them for saying that. but when the dude stays healthy and starts dominating more consistently i then throw my arms up and simply say "i never said he wouldn't develop into a great player"

    gutless.
    Enough of the he said she said!!!!! That isn't smack Baphs, its just non stop whining, and when I do its whining as well. You were right about Bosa he is a great player has a chance to be one of the best ever. Ingram has salvaged his career and also turned out to be good!!!!
    Lets move onto this season already!!!!!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    And it was nap and the other chargers that put sacks into it by continually stating crap like

    He almost had three sacks ... hence became the standing almost sack smack !!

    Where bap then tried to state a almost sack was better then a real sack
    you call it "almost sacks" and the rest of the football world calls it QB pressures, everyone considers that a legitimate stat now days.

    i said a pressure can be better than a sack, which is absolutely true. then you tried to compare a pressure forcing a QB to throw early into coverage and forcing a turnover to a hail mary pass, something that rarely works. that's pretty ignorant.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    No I trashed your retarded opinion that in his first two seasons he was comparable to the best pass rushers in the game with zero comparable output
    no, i said if you ignore snap count his pressures were. never once said he was as good as the bets edge rushers in the game but then again, if i did i would have been proven right

    Where von and the others played all downs Melvin snaps were all pass rush
    that isn't true at all, he was playing coverage snaps but he was hurt a lot and he wasn't the starter at first. the main reason he played mostly (not all) pass rushing snaps is because we had jarret johnson who was good against the run and pass.

    von miller had to develop as well, he was a pass rushing specialist in college....even though he developed rather quickly.

    He was not close to being the player of today
    he's better today for sure but like i told you COUNTLESS TIMES we saw flashes of that dominance, he was extremely disruptive even back then but he couldn't stay healthy.

    That would be like me sitting here saying Sutton is one of the best afc wrs in the game based on his preseason
    a better analogy would be like me trashing a player because he's hurt constantly and has little arms and when someone told me that they have indeed dominated at times i laugh and make fun of them for saying that. but when the dude stays healthy and starts dominating more consistently i then throw my arms up and simply say "i never said he wouldn't develop into a great player"

    gutless.

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