It's about time KC and OAK put their hand in to make this division respectable...

[HUMCALC]

It's like these teams have finally awaken from this long nap of mediocrity. A few good wins for our rivals.

The Chefs and Faiders fans can enjoy this all they like... but if those teams want to get to a SHIP. It goes through the Denver Broncos this year. The AFCW west is the best division in football and it's not even close. Denver is the hot team in December this year, take it to the bank. These boys respond very well to a big loss like this.

Both KC and OAK are stacked rosters, but even more so, so is Denver... Come playoffs, Denver will be just as dangerous as any team in the league. These losses will mean nothing, Denver is in the playoffs... No doubt.

:lombardi::lombardi::lombardi::lombardi:

I agree, competition always makes things better. Who ISN'T tired of NE running away with their division?

[58Miller]

No, I am not backtracking. My point all along was that there is a big question mark at the QB position for denver heading into 2017.

Your right that is a big question mark. Last year in both Qb's first year starting the Broncos were able to win 9 games. Now Mike McCoy who was able to build an offense around Tebow and win 7 regular season games and a playoff game should be able to put together a better offense than the one we ran last year. We also added Bill Musgrave who recently tutored Derek Carr, who before injury was on track to head out to Gillette to face your boys in the AFCCG. I get it smack but the truth is Denver could easily just be an 8-8 team but if either one of these Qbs is able to take hold of the starter spot and shine Denver is not a tram anyone, even your Pats will want to see in January, Until we figure that out the Pats are the AFC Paper Champs without playing a game.

[TommyBrady12]

Well that may have been your point but you were still trying to kick Elway in the cojones while stating it.

No not really. I was saying elway is unsure at this point - not that elway couldn't evaluate talent or anything. He is hedging himself with two young QB prospects. If siemian turns out great, then lynch will likely get traded.

[Sam_Z]

No, I am not backtracking. My point all along was that there is a big question mark at the QB position for denver heading into 2017.

Well that may have been your point but you were still trying to kick Elway in the cojones while stating it.

[TommyBrady12]

Those same experts always put their foots in their mouths. BTW who was it? Brian Billick? Yeah he holds a lot of credibility

Anyway your changing your tune now by saying and agreeing that Elway don't know how TS will perform because of the offensive line and Siemian's should injury but that wasn't your original statement. You were actually trying to discredit Elway and his quarterback's. We are not stupid, we are not pansy fans, and we knew what you were originally getting at.

No, I am not backtracking. My point all along was that there is a big question mark at the QB position for denver heading into 2017.

[Sam_Z]

Perphaps I misread your enthusiasm about Siemian.

And just to clarify the record, I think many QBs struggle their second year but not all. Russell Wilson, for example, had a strong second year.

And you keep saying that it's their "zone blocking scheme" that broke down or his shoulder inuury that was a big cause for siemian to struggle. Maybe that's the case, but Elway won't know for sure until the offensive line improves, right? Hence, he is not sure about how he'll perform just yet with the right personnel. If he is sure about Siemian, he would have named Siemian the starter. One super bowl winning coach recent said on NFLN that Siemian is a career backup.

Those same experts always put their foots in their mouths. BTW who was it? Brian Billick? Yeah he holds a lot of credibility

Anyway your changing your tune now by saying and agreeing that Elway don't know how TS will perform because of the offensive line and Siemian's should injury but that wasn't your original statement. You were actually trying to discredit Elway and his quarterback's. We are not stupid, we are not pansy fans, and we knew what you were originally getting at.

[TommyBrady12]

Ugh where did I say he is a slam dunk? I said he doesn't have the physical traits that Lynch has however he has the brains. Not exactly saying he's a slam dunk.

You said "derrr most second year QBs are figured out because the rest of the league has film on them".

You need to pump the brakes because you nor anyone else saw what Siemian will truly be yet due to the fact that he was injured with no offensive line protection. However that is hardly claiming him to be the savior of the franchise. Yet you did respond with
How could they assume him to be the starter when the guy wasn't fully given a chance to succeed himself?

Your assumptions are ridiculous. "Their not sold on Siemian" sure dude because they saw all he could offer in a broken zone blocking scheme.

Perphaps I misread your enthusiasm about Siemian.

And just to clarify the record, I think many QBs struggle their second year but not all. Russell Wilson, for example, had a strong second year.

And you keep saying that it's their "zone blocking scheme" that broke down or his shoulder inuury that was a big cause for siemian to struggle. Maybe that's the case, but Elway won't know for sure until the offensive line improves, right? Hence, he is not sure about how he'll perform just yet with the right personnel. If he is sure about Siemian, he would have named Siemian the starter. One super bowl winning coach recent said on NFLN that Siemian is a career backup.

[Sam_Z]

There you guys go again - bringing up the patriots in a non-patriot thread. Then I get accused of trolling.

Lynch is 25 years old. Romo is 37 with a history of back problems. Not sure I see the analogy there. Romo got beaten by a rookie of the year candidate, so Jones ain't going to keep him around. And if it weren't for his back issues, Romo probably could have been traded for a draft pick.

As far as Lynch and Siemian, you are essentially making my point. I said IF elway feels siemian was the future in denver, then you trade lynch, even if you moved up in the draft to select him. You don't keep him around to back up siemian for the hell of it while you can get high value for him. HOWEVER, and this was my point, elway does NOT feel that siemian has proven himself to be the future QB in denver and hence there is still a question as to who will be the QB next year. Sammy thinks Siemian is a slam dunk to be the starter - I am telling him to pump his brakes because it's hard to tell how good a QB will be after just one year.

Ugh where did I say he is a slam dunk? I said he doesn't have the physical traits that Lynch has however he has the brains. Not exactly saying he's a slam dunk.

You said "derrr most second year QBs are figured out because the rest of the league has film on them".

You need to pump the brakes because you nor anyone else saw what Siemian will truly be yet due to the fact that he was injured with no offensive line protection. However that is hardly claiming him to be the savior of the franchise. Yet you did respond with

Yes. i realize he was hurt for half of last season. But the fact that there is an open competition between him and lynch tells me that the broncos are not sold on him yet as the starter.

How could they assume him to be the starter when the guy wasn't fully given a chance to succeed himself?

Your assumptions are ridiculous. "Their not sold on Siemian" sure dude because they saw all he could offer in a broken zone blocking scheme.

[TommyBrady12]

If they felt confident that Brady was playing well into his 40s, they would've traded Giarraputo to the Browns.

I absolutely agree. I don't think Brady is guaranteed to be QB of the pats until he's 45. In fact I think next year might be his last. That's why Bill kept JG around.

[TommyBrady12]

I could have swore that you just said "jerry kept him around as a favor" where'd that comment go?

Dak took over because he came a lot cheaper and Tony was injury prone.
But aside from that, why would Jerry keep Dak over Romo when "QBs struggle in their second year due to the league having film on them" at that point?

Didn't we have a conversation on the double standards just yesterday?

Dak took over because he is miles better than Romo at this point. The injury problems of Romo and age only hurt him even more. And just because a QB is likely to struggle in their second year (not a guarantee), does not mean you give up on him and go to a guy like Romo. Dak is a talent and IS the future in dallas.

[TommyBrady12]

He was the backup quarterback. Lynch was the backup quarterback. You're going to give yourself an aneurysm. First round draft picks, who were traded up for, do not get traded for "2nd or 3rd" round picks simply because a 7th rounder ahead of them in the depth chart had a good season.

So who you gunna root for two years from now, when Brady is gone and the Patriots suck daddy bags? I don't think AaronRodgers12 is taken yet.

There you guys go again - bringing up the patriots in a non-patriot thread. Then I get accused of trolling.

Lynch is 25 years old. Romo is 37 with a history of back problems. Not sure I see the analogy there. Romo got beaten by a rookie of the year candidate, so Jones ain't going to keep him around. And if it weren't for his back issues, Romo probably could have been traded for a draft pick.

As far as Lynch and Siemian, you are essentially making my point. I said IF elway feels siemian was the future in denver, then you trade lynch, even if you moved up in the draft to select him. You don't keep him around to back up siemian for the hell of it while you can get high value for him. HOWEVER, and this was my point, elway does NOT feel that siemian has proven himself to be the future QB in denver and hence there is still a question as to who will be the QB next year. Sammy thinks Siemian is a slam dunk to be the starter - I am telling him to pump his brakes because it's hard to tell how good a QB will be after just one year.

[Sam_Z]

I'm starting to like this character! You can try and argue with him but eventually he puts his foot in his mouth defeating the whole purpose!

He's getting to be a glutton for punishment like that lone changers fan that's been here for the last 3600 years.

[Spice 1]

I could have swore that you just said "jerry kept him around as a favor" where'd that comment go?

Dak took over because he came a lot cheaper and Tony was injury prone.
But aside from that, why would Jerry keep Dak over Romo when "QBs struggle in their second year due to the league having film on them" at that point?

Didn't we have a conversation on the double standards just yesterday?

[Spice 1]

What does tony romo have to do with anything? Dak took over in dallas because he was by far better of the two and jerry jones kept romo around as a favor. If romo were 25 or 26 he would have been traded this offseason.

He was the backup quarterback. Lynch was the backup quarterback. You're going to give yourself an aneurysm. First round draft picks, who were traded up for, do not get traded for "2nd or 3rd" round picks simply because a 7th rounder ahead of them in the depth chart had a good season.

So who you gunna root for two years from now, when Brady is gone and the Patriots suck daddy bags? I don't think AaronRodgers12 is taken yet.

[Sam_Z]

What does tony romo have to do with anything? Dak took over in dallas because he was by far better of the two. If romo were 25 or 26 he would have been traded this offseason.

I could have swore that you just said "jerry kept him around as a favor" where'd that comment go?

Dak took over because he came a lot cheaper and Tony was injury prone.
But aside from that, why would Jerry keep Dak over Romo when "QBs struggle in their second year due to the league having film on them" at that point?

Didn't we have a conversation on the double standards just yesterday?