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  • To the Pats fans, when it comes it comes fast. It hit Peyton in 2014 almost in a single game (St. Louis). Prior to that game you would think Peyton could go on for four more years. You might think Tom Brady has six years left, and may very well play that long, but don't be surprised if in a three game stretch he simply falls apart and his throws have less zip.

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    • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
      do you realize how stacked montana's 49er teams were? how many HOFers has Brady played with?

      And montana playing with one of the greatest offensive minds in Bill Walsh doesn't count? Is it brady's fault that bill walsh retired after 3 super bowls?
      So Montana's teams were stacked, so Brady is Better? Montana's 81 and 84 teams? Stacked with HOF's Fred Dean & Ronnie Lott Wow!!!!
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      • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
        do you realize how stacked montana's 49er teams were? how many HOFers has Brady played with?

        And montana playing with one of the greatest offensive minds in Bill Walsh doesn't count? Is it brady's fault that bill walsh retired after 3 super bowls?
        Well the same argument could be made for John Elway. Do you realize how many teams John Elway carried on his back? Do you realize that he had almost absolutely zero talent around him and the argument is always made that what if Elway had with Montana had would he have won more Super Bowl's?

        Elway is highly regarded as one of the best yet he didn't have very much tell him until the late 90s. In fact Brady has had a hell of a lot more talent in comparison than John Elway did so your argument is mute and it can't work both ways.
        Last edited by Sam_Z; 12-16-2016, 10:52 AM.

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        • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
          So Montana's teams were stacked, so Brady is Better? Montana's 81 and 84 teams? Stacked with HOF's Fred Dean & Ronnie Lott Wow!!!!
          We had some very good players, but those niner teams of the 80s were some of the best ever. And jerry rice is arguably the greatest player ever.
          Last edited by TommyBrady12; 12-16-2016, 12:36 PM.
          Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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          • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
            Well the same argument could be made for John Elway. Do you realize how many teams John Elway carried on his back? Do you realize that he had almost absolutely zero talent around him and the argument is always made that what if Elway had with Montana had would he have won more Super Bowl's?

            Elway is highly regarded as one of the best yet he didn't have very much tell him until the late 90s. In fact Brady has had a hell of a lot more talent in comparison than John Elway did so your argument is mute and it can't work both ways.
            John elway isn't in the conversation of GOAT. He was the king of interceptions. Whose fault is that? Besides my conversation had to do with brady and Montana. Could elway have been a better QB if his team was better? Sure, but not at the level of GOAT.
            Last edited by TommyBrady12; 12-16-2016, 12:37 PM.
            Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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            • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
              John elway isn't in the conversation of GOAT. He was the king of interceptions. Whose fault is that? Besides my conversation had to do with brady and Montana. Could elway have been a better QB if his team was better? Sure, but not at the level of GOAT.
              I think we've covered this OVER AND OVER!!!! You and I have even hashed this out. GOAT IS AN OPINION BASED TOPIC!!!! STOP BRINGING IT UP!!!!
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              • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                Well the same argument could be made for John Elway. Do you realize how many teams John Elway carried on his back? Do you realize that he had almost absolutely zero talent around him and the argument is always made that what if Elway had with Montana had would he have won more Super Bowl's?

                Elway is highly regarded as one of the best yet he didn't have very much tell him until the late 90s. In fact Brady has had a hell of a lot more talent in comparison than John Elway did so your argument is mute and it can't work both ways.
                Interception King? Well I have a tidbit for you do you realize that the patriots had never beaten John Elway throughout his entire career and you realize that John Elway beat NE every time he played in Foxboro.

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                • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                  Interception King? Well I have a tidbit for you do you realize that the patriots had never beaten John Elway throughout his entire career and you realize that John Elway beat NE every time he played in Foxboro.
                  Ah the 1980s, the heyday of the Broncos organization.

                  And Marino was actually the interception king of that era, but Elway was number 2. He is top 15 all time in INTs. So yes, you could blame Elway not winning a super bowl on the players around him (not that the 2001 patriots were great or anything and Brady still won), but the number of picks he has thrown cannot be blamed on his teammates. And you can't blame the rules of the era either because a lot of other QBs at that time had fewer INTs - for example, Joe Montana had 139 compared to Elway's 226.
                  Last edited by TommyBrady12; 12-16-2016, 03:17 PM.
                  Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                  • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                    Ah the 1980s, the heyday of the Broncos organization.

                    And Marino was actually the interception king of that era, but Elway was number 2. He is top 15 all time in INTs. So yes, you could blame Elway not winning a super bowl on the players around him (not that the 2001 patriots were great or anything and Brady still won), but the number of picks he has thrown cannot be blamed on his teammates. And you can't blame the rules of the era either because a lot of other QBs at that time had fewer INTs - for example, Joe Montana had 139 compared to Elway's 226.
                    Oh no the rules don't make one bit of difference. Not the tuck rule (which was put in place for Brady) nor the role of emphasis.

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                    • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                      Oh no the rules don't make one bit of difference. Not the tuck rule (which was put in place for Brady) nor the role of emphasis.

                      The first "tuck rule" call was 2001 when the Pats D stripped NY Jets QB Vinny Testeverde. BB used the name "tuck rule" during the post game conference

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                      • Originally posted by Mainrnxile View Post
                        The first "tuck rule" call was 2001 when the Pats D stripped NY Jets QB Vinny Testeverde. BB used the name "tuck rule" during the post game conference
                        This was The game Drew Bledsoe was injured and TB started his run as the Pats QB

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                        • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                          We had some very good players, but those niner teams of the 80s were some of the best ever. And jerry rice is arguably the greatest player ever.
                          Rice was the best receiver ever. But we're debating QB and I belive your saying Montana only win because he was on stacked teams. Superbowl teams usually are and both had HOF coaches.
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                          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                            Rice was the best receiver ever. But we're debating QB and I belive your saying Montana only win because he was on stacked teams. Superbowl teams usually are and both had HOF coaches.
                            That is not my argument at all. I am merely saying Brady has been more impressive than Montana. Montana had more to work with than Brady did, especially during Brady's early years.
                            Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                            • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                              That is not my argument at all. I am merely saying Brady has been more impressive than Montana. Montana had more to work with than Brady did, especially during Brady's early years.
                              Not really, he was aided and assisted by spy gate as well as the rule of emphasis being put in place to benefit him.

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                              • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                                Not really, he was aided and assisted by spy gate as well as the rule of emphasis being put in place to benefit him.
                                Sam Z please quit, you are over your head. How many times have that 49ers been fined for circumventing that salary cap? Your Broncos during their 2 SB run in the late 90's was aided by cheating the cap and keeping good players they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. The $950,000 fine they received is proof. This myth the Pats are the only ones cheating was discussed today on Denver sports radio in this Schlereth and Evans show when Chad Brown called in. Schlereth and Brown were laughing at how Broncos fans call out Patriots as cheaters and Brown reiterated how the Broncos own two of the top 3 fines in NFL history for cheating ( not sure if he is correct). Schlereth was laughing about how if you fans only knew the stuff they were doing that was against the rules. Every team cheats.

                                Montana was awesome but has done nothing that Brady hasn't done. Brady has put up league leading stats with a minimum of 5 different sets of starting receivers. Montana, before Rice and Taylor, basically passed mostly to his running backs and TE. No one had seen it before and it's the reason why his completion% was so high, a la Drew Brees. Then add the best we ever in Rice and d maybe the best #2 in Taylor (at the time) and that offense was unstoppable for a few years.

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