All things NOT PATRIOT related...... Discuss!!

[arapaho]

it's definitely rare that someone says something that stupid here in smack, i will give you that much

just imagine if i ran some weak ass smack like that, then got torched for it and then tried to say i was just kidding? do you not see that you are actually the one that looks like a fool right now?

at least bates was smart enough to exit after he knew this is a battle he was not going to win.

i say plenty of stuff here just to get you donk fans riled up and you all take the bait constantly. the difference is, i don't need to post piss poor flame bait that i don't even believe just to do it and then say "just kidding" after i get kicked in the teeth. lol

stand behind your smack samantha, you are going to have to step your game up or you will get dealt with, period.

says the guy still getting kicked in the teeth for insisting a fantasy stat metric proclaiming Melvin a top ten pass rusher was legit

or that the spin move is rare and vintage ...still cracks me up

[PatsFan4ever]

I don't think you get it man........I'm one of the bros....

Just like you, I organize my overpriced cologne collection from big to small
And just like you I have an equally badass black t-shirt collection -that I iron.

I would arm wrestle you anywhere, anytime and you would smell me coming from 3 blocks away.....bromie

You'd get BrOwned in an arm wrestling match, Angelina Brolie.

[Lumiere]

You'd get BrOwned in an arm wrestling match, Angelina Brolie.

Get browned is right, because you're so full of $#!%

Ohhhhhh, snap! :dance:

[PatsFan4ever]

Get browned is right, because you're so full of $#!%

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Why not come find out, little girl? :dance:

[Stackhouser]

Why not come find out, little girl? :dance:

Stop with the "internet tough guy" routine..... How about discussing something with a little substance..... It's not smack, it's trolling. Smack is great, continue that....

[baphamet]

says the guy still getting kicked in the teeth for insisting a fantasy stat metric proclaiming Melvin a top ten pass rusher was legit

or that the spin move is rare and vintage ...still cracks me up

don't worry, there is plenty of teeth kicking to go around, as you found out earlier in the thread.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...14#post5552114

it's clear you have a lot to learn about pass rushers and all you know is sack numbers, that right there is the issue. you seem to think that pressure only has an effect on a play one out of 1000 times, that alone is pure comedy.

now, go back into hiding because you just got lit up like a christmas tree and there is no stopping that inferno.

[arapaho]

don't worry, there is plenty of teeth kicking to go around, as you found out earlier in the thread.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...14#post5552114

it's clear you have a lot to learn about pass rushers and all you know is sack numbers, that right there is the issue. you seem to think that pressure only has an effect on a play one out of 1000 times, that alone is pure comedy.

now, go back into hiding because you just got lit up like a christmas tree and there is no stopping that inferno.

you must be paul spicer...you don't stop at full blown lies...

heres your post that started this, posting a fantasy stat metric that stated Melvin was one of the best pass rushers based of his percentage of QB pressures per def snap

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ure-frequency/

notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has.

let me know if you would like any more football education son

here's Arapaho thinking all that matters is sacks...according to bap

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4897156

it can also a hell of a lot of times result in a 1st down or a td ...just like melvins pressure tonight

heres the part you fail to grasp...a pressure...CAN CAUSE A LOSS OF DOWN OR AN INT, nobody here ever said it couldn't

but a sack can cause a loss of down too, lost yardage and a fumble....it can almost never without penalty result in a offensive td or first down
your insisting a pressure is better then a sack...it isn't.....UNLESS THE QB THROWS A PICK, AND A SACK DOESNT RESULT IN A FUMBLE

what was the signature turning point in the colts comeback...was it pressure....OR THE SACK THAT RESULTED IN A COLTS FUMBLE RECOVERY

I GAURANTEE there is more 1st downs or completed passes and or tds from qbs under pressure then there is ints

how many tds or 1st downs are there from sacks

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...91#post4578891

von miller........10 sacks....63 sack yards....16 qb hits...21 tackles for loss...2 ff

melvin...... 1/2 sack ....2 sack yards.....1 qb hit.....1 tackle for loss.....1 ff


melvin certainly seems to be a playmaker

how can that be ...I used more than sacks to compare the two?....weird

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...31#post4889031

ohh so the ....almost sacks must be a sd stat....he almost had seven sacks lmao!!

rest of us put more impact on actual hits...tck f loss...tackles sacks.....

tell me...if barney "almost" gets there and makes a qb step up into pocket and throws a td pass...do you bolt fans record it as a almost td?

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...52#post4890852

Another lie...whatta loser

Nobody including myself ever said sacks is all you use..lmao

And your bolt fans started this with this thread.....and YOU BROUGHT PRESSURES INTO THE DISCUSSION by insisting some fantasy stat story listed Melvin high because of...pressures per snap...fantasy stats

We have just said pressures don't mean much if you can't get sacks and hits

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...09#post4897509

in that bap has insisted Melvin gets pressures so he's one of the best pass rushers...read back further if you wanna see his fantasy stat story that supposedly shows Melvin is a top ten pass rusher as a rookie


we have refuted that notion, insisting that just because he gets some pressure, doesn't make him one of the best

to play the position he must also produce sacks, qb hits, strips, tackles for loss, a pressure can be recorded simply by making the qb step up in the pocket...results matter...whereas bap insists pressures are better then sacks

Melvin in his rookie yr got a few pressures...I sack...1ff...2 qb hits...4 tackles for loss

miller in his rookie seasons...12 sacks...3 ff..24 qb hits...19 tackles for loss

so you see miller not only got pressure...but he finished

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...66#post4728366

ya...i noticed melvis great "pressure" when peyton manning leaped over him


this is your proof how great melvin was LOL

lets look deeper

melvin acourding to this method had a pressure 12.6% of his snaps

jjwatt accourding to this had a pressure 13% of his snaps

so by all rights melvin is just a tad lessor of a player than watt...right?

unless you wanna include melvins 1 sack compared to watts 20.5


or

melvin had 2 qb hits
compared to watts 46


then your theory falls apart

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...71#post4728371

lets look even further

of those linbackes listed

a smith....19.5 sacks....1.3% higher qbp .........30 qb hits....18 tfl
v miller....18.5...........7% higher qbp..............24 qb hits....28 tfl
c mathews....13..........1.2% higher qbp...........27 qb hits....17tfl
j houston...10.........00.4% higher qbp ...........19 qb hits....13 tfl
a spencer...11.........00.7% higher qbp.............13 qb hits...13 tfl
d ware...11.5..........1.1% higher qbp .............20qb hits.....9 tfl

ingram....12.6%................................... ......2 qb hits...4 tfl

considering ingram was a situational player coming in to rush the passer


now explain how ingram is one of the best?

clearly baps alternative facts show I only use sacks :thumb:

[baphamet]

you must be paul spicer...you don't stop at full blown lies...

heres your post that started this, posting a fantasy stat metric that stated Melvin was one of the best pass rushers based of his percentage of QB pressures per def snap



here's Arapaho thinking all that matters is sacks...according to bap

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4897156

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...91#post4578891


how can that be ...I used more than sacks to compare the two?....weird

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...31#post4889031



http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...52#post4890852

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...09#post4897509


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...66#post4728366

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...71#post4728371




clearly baps alternative facts show I only use sacks :thumb:

i guarantee there are more int's, less TD's, and less completions when a QB is under pressure vs when not under pressure because i posted the statistical data that proves it.

speaking of lies, show me where i said ingram was one of the best. none of what you posted disproved anything. you are acting like i'm saying sacks don't matter, of course they do. you are acting like i'm saying ingram is elite because of the pressure he applies, never said nor implied that.

i said he is disruptive, which is a large reason why he is going to get paid. oh and the fact that he has a lot of sacks the last two years since being healthy.

who said that when healthy ingram has shown flashes of dominance? that was me and that's exactly what we witnessed last season if you payed attention like PFF and so many others have. yet you want to talk smack like i was wrong about that? lol

but you are absolutely comparing QB pressure to a hail mary and you are not weaseling your way out of that idiotic comment, saying that 1 out of 1000 times it doesn't have an effect on the play and that is 100% false as i showed you and everyone else reading.

it's a fact that pressure alone does have an effect on a QB and the play quite often and much much more often than a hail mary is completed, even if they never touch the QB. it doesn't always result in a negative play but it does quite frequently, a lot more frequently than you seem to think.

[arapaho]

[U]i guarantee there are more int's, less TD's, and less completions when a QB is under pressure vs when not under pressure because i posted the statistical data that proves it.[/U]

speaking of lies, show me where i said ingram was one of the best. none of what you posted disproved anything. you are acting like i'm saying sacks don't matter, of course they do. you are acting like i'm saying ingram is elite because of the pressure he applies, never said nor implied that.

i said he is disruptive, which is a large reason why he is going to get paid. oh and the fact that he has a lot of sacks the last two years since being healthy.

who said that when healthy ingram has shown flashes of dominance? that was me and that's exactly what we witnessed last season if you payed attention like PFF and so many others have. yet you want to talk smack like i was wrong about that? lol

but you are absolutely comparing QB pressure to a hail mary and you are not weaseling your way out of that idiotic comment, saying that 1 out of 1000 times it doesn't have an effect on the play and that is 100% false as i showed you and everyone else reading.

it's a fact that pressure alone does have an effect on a QB and the play quite often and much much more often than a hail mary is completed, even if they never touch the QB. it doesn't always result in a negative play but it does quite frequently, a lot more frequently than you seem to think.

way to completely make up a new argument on the fly paul

I will counter that the percentage of loss of down plays is significantly higher with a sack, vrses a pressure...you agree
I will also say that the number of positive plays with qb pressure...far exceeds negative plays with pressure

the fact is the fact...you claimed barney was a top ten pass rusher based of some fantast stat that based its judgment off of percentage of pressures per pass rush snap....

we countered with pressures aint everything, a pressure can be 100% ineffectual but still be recorded as one...and to judge a pass rusher we must look at results, sacks, qb hits, FF, tackles for loss

whereas you insisted for two years...THAT ALL WE LOOK AT IS SACKS

[baphamet]

way to completely make up a new argument on the fly paul

I will counter that the percentage of loss of down plays is significantly higher with a sack, vrses a pressure...you agree
I will also say that the number of positive plays with qb pressure...far exceeds negative plays with pressure

the fact is the fact...you claimed barney was a top ten pass rusher based of some fantast stat that based its judgment off of percentage of pressures per pass rush snap....

we countered with pressures aint everything, a pressure can be 100% ineffectual but still be recorded as one...and to judge a pass rusher we must look at results, sacks, qb hits, FF, tackles for loss

whereas you insisted for two years...THAT ALL WE LOOK AT IS SACKS

dude, PFF has him ranked as a top 10 edge defender right now

everything i was saying about ingram has come true. i said when healthy he is a disruptive force and we had seen "flashes" of that but he just couldn't stay healthy.

now the last two years he has been healthy and he has been very dominant in that time. sure he has to get better at finishing the sacks but with bosa on the other side drawing double teams, look for ingram to have another dominant season with hopefully 12+ sacks with lots of pressures and QB hits.

of course the last two seasons where he has been healthy, he is 7th in sacks among LB'ers. that's even considering he does sometime not finish sacks.

by the way, you didn't counter with pressures are not everything, you all discounted them entirely and you know it. my whole argument that entire time was you have to consider more than just sacks and you all argued with me about that.

pressure and being disruptive is very important to a pass rusher, not just sacks or QB hits. it's all important and i have never once argued that pressure is more important than sacks or QB hits.

the bottom line is you talked smack on ingram for years and he has developed into a very good player when healthy, some would argue top 10 for sure and i'm not talking about homers either.