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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    way to completely make up a new argument on the fly paul

    I will counter that the percentage of loss of down plays is significantly higher with a sack, vrses a pressure...you agree
    I will also say that the number of positive plays with qb pressure...far exceeds negative plays with pressure

    the fact is the fact...you claimed barney was a top ten pass rusher based of some fantast stat that based its judgment off of percentage of pressures per pass rush snap....

    we countered with pressures aint everything, a pressure can be 100% ineffectual but still be recorded as one...and to judge a pass rusher we must look at results, sacks, qb hits, FF, tackles for loss

    whereas you insisted for two years...THAT ALL WE LOOK AT IS SACKS
    dude, PFF has him ranked as a top 10 edge defender right now

    everything i was saying about ingram has come true. i said when healthy he is a disruptive force and we had seen "flashes" of that but he just couldn't stay healthy.

    now the last two years he has been healthy and he has been very dominant in that time. sure he has to get better at finishing the sacks but with bosa on the other side drawing double teams, look for ingram to have another dominant season with hopefully 12+ sacks with lots of pressures and QB hits.

    of course the last two seasons where he has been healthy, he is 7th in sacks among LB'ers. that's even considering he does sometime not finish sacks.

    by the way, you didn't counter with pressures are not everything, you all discounted them entirely and you know it. my whole argument that entire time was you have to consider more than just sacks and you all argued with me about that.

    pressure and being disruptive is very important to a pass rusher, not just sacks or QB hits. it's all important and i have never once argued that pressure is more important than sacks or QB hits.

    the bottom line is you talked smack on ingram for years and he has developed into a very good player when healthy, some would argue top 10 for sure and i'm not talking about homers either.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    [U]i guarantee there are more int's, less TD's, and less completions when a QB is under pressure vs when not under pressure because i posted the statistical data that proves it.[/U]

    speaking of lies, show me where i said ingram was one of the best. none of what you posted disproved anything. you are acting like i'm saying sacks don't matter, of course they do. you are acting like i'm saying ingram is elite because of the pressure he applies, never said nor implied that.

    i said he is disruptive, which is a large reason why he is going to get paid. oh and the fact that he has a lot of sacks the last two years since being healthy.

    who said that when healthy ingram has shown flashes of dominance? that was me and that's exactly what we witnessed last season if you payed attention like PFF and so many others have. yet you want to talk smack like i was wrong about that? lol

    but you are absolutely comparing QB pressure to a hail mary and you are not weaseling your way out of that idiotic comment, saying that 1 out of 1000 times it doesn't have an effect on the play and that is 100% false as i showed you and everyone else reading.

    it's a fact that pressure alone does have an effect on a QB and the play quite often and much much more often than a hail mary is completed, even if they never touch the QB. it doesn't always result in a negative play but it does quite frequently, a lot more frequently than you seem to think.

    way to completely make up a new argument on the fly paul

    I will counter that the percentage of loss of down plays is significantly higher with a sack, vrses a pressure...you agree
    I will also say that the number of positive plays with qb pressure...far exceeds negative plays with pressure

    the fact is the fact...you claimed barney was a top ten pass rusher based of some fantast stat that based its judgment off of percentage of pressures per pass rush snap....

    we countered with pressures aint everything, a pressure can be 100% ineffectual but still be recorded as one...and to judge a pass rusher we must look at results, sacks, qb hits, FF, tackles for loss

    whereas you insisted for two years...THAT ALL WE LOOK AT IS SACKS

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    you must be paul spicer...you don't stop at full blown lies...

    heres your post that started this, posting a fantasy stat metric that stated Melvin was one of the best pass rushers based of his percentage of QB pressures per def snap



    here's Arapaho thinking all that matters is sacks...according to bap

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4897156

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...91#post4578891


    how can that be ...I used more than sacks to compare the two?....weird

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...31#post4889031



    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...52#post4890852

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...09#post4897509


    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...66#post4728366

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...71#post4728371




    clearly baps alternative facts show I only use sacks :thumb:
    i guarantee there are more int's, less TD's, and less completions when a QB is under pressure vs when not under pressure because i posted the statistical data that proves it.

    speaking of lies, show me where i said ingram was one of the best. none of what you posted disproved anything. you are acting like i'm saying sacks don't matter, of course they do. you are acting like i'm saying ingram is elite because of the pressure he applies, never said nor implied that.

    i said he is disruptive, which is a large reason why he is going to get paid. oh and the fact that he has a lot of sacks the last two years since being healthy.

    who said that when healthy ingram has shown flashes of dominance? that was me and that's exactly what we witnessed last season if you payed attention like PFF and so many others have. yet you want to talk smack like i was wrong about that? lol

    but you are absolutely comparing QB pressure to a hail mary and you are not weaseling your way out of that idiotic comment, saying that 1 out of 1000 times it doesn't have an effect on the play and that is 100% false as i showed you and everyone else reading.

    it's a fact that pressure alone does have an effect on a QB and the play quite often and much much more often than a hail mary is completed, even if they never touch the QB. it doesn't always result in a negative play but it does quite frequently, a lot more frequently than you seem to think.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    don't worry, there is plenty of teeth kicking to go around, as you found out earlier in the thread.

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...14#post5552114

    it's clear you have a lot to learn about pass rushers and all you know is sack numbers, that right there is the issue. you seem to think that pressure only has an effect on a play one out of 1000 times, that alone is pure comedy.

    now, go back into hiding because you just got lit up like a christmas tree and there is no stopping that inferno.
    you must be paul spicer...you don't stop at full blown lies...

    heres your post that started this, posting a fantasy stat metric that stated Melvin was one of the best pass rushers based of his percentage of QB pressures per def snap

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ure-frequency/

    notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has.

    let me know if you would like any more football education son
    here's Arapaho thinking all that matters is sacks...according to bap

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4897156
    it can also a hell of a lot of times result in a 1st down or a td ...just like melvins pressure tonight

    heres the part you fail to grasp...a pressure...CAN CAUSE A LOSS OF DOWN OR AN INT, nobody here ever said it couldn't

    but a sack can cause a loss of down too, lost yardage and a fumble....it can almost never without penalty result in a offensive td or first down
    your insisting a pressure is better then a sack...it isn't.....UNLESS THE QB THROWS A PICK, AND A SACK DOESNT RESULT IN A FUMBLE

    what was the signature turning point in the colts comeback...was it pressure....OR THE SACK THAT RESULTED IN A COLTS FUMBLE RECOVERY

    I GAURANTEE there is more 1st downs or completed passes and or tds from qbs under pressure then there is ints

    how many tds or 1st downs are there from sacks
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...91#post4578891
    von miller........10 sacks....63 sack yards....16 qb hits...21 tackles for loss...2 ff

    melvin...... 1/2 sack ....2 sack yards.....1 qb hit.....1 tackle for loss.....1 ff


    melvin certainly seems to be a playmaker
    how can that be ...I used more than sacks to compare the two?....weird

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...31#post4889031

    ohh so the ....almost sacks must be a sd stat....he almost had seven sacks lmao!!

    rest of us put more impact on actual hits...tck f loss...tackles sacks.....

    tell me...if barney "almost" gets there and makes a qb step up into pocket and throws a td pass...do you bolt fans record it as a almost td?
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...52#post4890852
    Another lie...whatta loser

    Nobody including myself ever said sacks is all you use..lmao

    And your bolt fans started this with this thread.....and YOU BROUGHT PRESSURES INTO THE DISCUSSION by insisting some fantasy stat story listed Melvin high because of...pressures per snap...fantasy stats

    We have just said pressures don't mean much if you can't get sacks and hits
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...09#post4897509

    in that bap has insisted Melvin gets pressures so he's one of the best pass rushers...read back further if you wanna see his fantasy stat story that supposedly shows Melvin is a top ten pass rusher as a rookie


    we have refuted that notion, insisting that just because he gets some pressure, doesn't make him one of the best

    to play the position he must also produce sacks, qb hits, strips, tackles for loss, a pressure can be recorded simply by making the qb step up in the pocket...results matter...whereas bap insists pressures are better then sacks

    Melvin in his rookie yr got a few pressures...I sack...1ff...2 qb hits...4 tackles for loss

    miller in his rookie seasons...12 sacks...3 ff..24 qb hits...19 tackles for loss

    so you see miller not only got pressure...but he finished

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...66#post4728366
    ya...i noticed melvis great "pressure" when peyton manning leaped over him


    this is your proof how great melvin was LOL

    lets look deeper

    melvin acourding to this method had a pressure 12.6% of his snaps

    jjwatt accourding to this had a pressure 13% of his snaps

    so by all rights melvin is just a tad lessor of a player than watt...right?

    unless you wanna include melvins 1 sack compared to watts 20.5


    or

    melvin had 2 qb hits
    compared to watts 46


    then your theory falls apart

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...71#post4728371
    lets look even further

    of those linbackes listed

    a smith....19.5 sacks....1.3% higher qbp .........30 qb hits....18 tfl
    v miller....18.5...........7% higher qbp..............24 qb hits....28 tfl
    c mathews....13..........1.2% higher qbp...........27 qb hits....17tfl
    j houston...10.........00.4% higher qbp ...........19 qb hits....13 tfl
    a spencer...11.........00.7% higher qbp.............13 qb hits...13 tfl
    d ware...11.5..........1.1% higher qbp .............20qb hits.....9 tfl

    ingram....12.6%................................... ......2 qb hits...4 tfl

    considering ingram was a situational player coming in to rush the passer


    now explain how ingram is one of the best?


    clearly baps alternative facts show I only use sacks :thumb:

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    says the guy still getting kicked in the teeth for insisting a fantasy stat metric proclaiming Melvin a top ten pass rusher was legit

    or that the spin move is rare and vintage ...still cracks me up
    don't worry, there is plenty of teeth kicking to go around, as you found out earlier in the thread.

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...14#post5552114

    it's clear you have a lot to learn about pass rushers and all you know is sack numbers, that right there is the issue. you seem to think that pressure only has an effect on a play one out of 1000 times, that alone is pure comedy.

    now, go back into hiding because you just got lit up like a christmas tree and there is no stopping that inferno.
    Last edited by baphamet; 02-28-2017, 07:50 AM.

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  • Stackhouser
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    Originally posted by PatsFan4ever View Post
    Why not come find out, little girl? :dance:
    Stop with the "internet tough guy" routine..... How about discussing something with a little substance..... It's not smack, it's trolling. Smack is great, continue that....

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  • PatsFan4ever
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    Originally posted by Lumiere View Post
    Get browned is right, because you're so full of $#!%

    Ohhhhhh, snap! :dance:
    Why not come find out, little girl? :dance:

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  • Lumiere
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    Originally posted by PatsFan4ever View Post
    You'd get BrOwned in an arm wrestling match, Angelina Brolie.
    Get browned is right, because you're so full of $#!%

    Ohhhhhh, snap! :dance:

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  • PatsFan4ever
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    I don't think you get it man........I'm one of the bros....

    Just like you, I organize my overpriced cologne collection from big to small
    And just like you I have an equally badass black t-shirt collection -that I iron.

    I would arm wrestle you anywhere, anytime and you would smell me coming from 3 blocks away.....bromie
    You'd get BrOwned in an arm wrestling match, Angelina Brolie.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    it's definitely rare that someone says something that stupid here in smack, i will give you that much

    just imagine if i ran some weak ass smack like that, then got torched for it and then tried to say i was just kidding? do you not see that you are actually the one that looks like a fool right now?

    at least bates was smart enough to exit after he knew this is a battle he was not going to win.

    i say plenty of stuff here just to get you donk fans riled up and you all take the bait constantly. the difference is, i don't need to post piss poor flame bait that i don't even believe just to do it and then say "just kidding" after i get kicked in the teeth. lol

    stand behind your smack samantha, you are going to have to step your game up or you will get dealt with, period.

    says the guy still getting kicked in the teeth for insisting a fantasy stat metric proclaiming Melvin a top ten pass rusher was legit

    or that the spin move is rare and vintage ...still cracks me up

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Well when I posted it for certain fans only you decided to come in and take the bait.

    What else am I or anybody else supposed to think when you came in and took the bait that was set up for a pansy fan but again it was YOU that came in and took the bait. So doesn't that make YOU look like a pansy fan?

    I know the gods honest truth here and that is you rarely get anything over me and you saw that as an opportunity to attempt to get something over me because. You say it is "stupid" and so in your little mind you saw as a rare opportunity to attack me when you rarely have any material to go on but you still failed to realize how much of a pansy fan it was going to make you out to be or look like because for the 5 millionth time that it was set up for the pansy fans not you. Unless you are a true pansy fan.
    it's definitely rare that someone says something that stupid here in smack, i will give you that much

    just imagine if i ran some weak ass smack like that, then got torched for it and then tried to say i was just kidding? do you not see that you are actually the one that looks like a fool right now?

    at least bates was smart enough to exit after he knew this is a battle he was not going to win.

    i say plenty of stuff here just to get you donk fans riled up and you all take the bait constantly. the difference is, i don't need to post piss poor flame bait that i don't even believe just to do it and then say "just kidding" after i get kicked in the teeth. lol

    stand behind your smack samantha, you are going to have to step your game up or you will get dealt with, period.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    yet all i have ever done is bash you for saying something so dumb and that makes me a patriots fan? again, you are just mad because i didn't let you off the hook for saying something so dumb and your only defense to that is to accuse me of being a patriots fan.

    so again, because i don't agree the SB was rigged and smacked you down you for saying it was, that makes me a pats fan? i don't care that you were "just joking" you said that idiotic crap and now you need to own it instead of just saying "but i was just kidding"

    can i use that "just kidding" cop out when i say idiotic crap? oh thats right, i don't need to because i don't say idiotic crap like that.
    Well when I posted it for certain fans only you decided to come in and take the bait.

    What else am I or anybody else supposed to think when you came in and took the bait that was set up for a pansy fan but again it was YOU that came in and took the bait. So doesn't that make YOU look like a pansy fan?

    I know the gods honest truth here and that is you rarely get anything over me and you saw that as an opportunity to attempt to get something over me because. You say it is "stupid" and so in your little mind you saw as a rare opportunity to attack me when you rarely have any material to go on but you still failed to realize how much of a pansy fan it was going to make you out to be or look like because for the 5 millionth time that it was set up for the pansy fans not you. Unless you are a true pansy fan.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Hahaha Uh No, the homerism makes you/barph hat a patriots fan. That and the fact that you've been orphaned.

    So anyway and for the one millionth time this is what I said.


    Now I've stated multiple times that I posted this for the pansy fans yet barph hat took the bait and he can't seem to get over it.

    Now for anybody that's reading this, would you not be under the impression that barph hat is intact a pansy fan since he cannot get over this statement made by me that was originally directed at pansy fans?

    However and yet somehow in his P brain of a mind he thinks he shot down and shredded whatever argument he had with me or himself more less over this topic. Barph your pansy fan and all the proof we need is just been pointed out so accept it or get help.
    yet all i have ever done is bash you for saying something so dumb and that makes me a patriots fan? again, you are just mad because i didn't let you off the hook for saying something so dumb and your only defense to that is to accuse me of being a patriots fan.

    so again, because i don't agree the SB was rigged and smacked you down you for saying it was, that makes me a pats fan? i don't care that you were "just joking" you said that idiotic crap and now you need to own it instead of just saying "but i was just kidding"

    can i use that "just kidding" cop out when i say idiotic crap? oh thats right, i don't need to because i don't say idiotic crap like that.

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  • Mainrnxile
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    I don't think you get it man........I'm one of the bros....

    Just like you, I organize my overpriced cologne collection from big to small
    And just like you I have an equally badass black t-shirt collection -that I iron.

    I would arm wrestle you anywhere, anytime and you would smell me coming from 3 blocks away.....bromie
    This is exceptionally good. Kudos!!

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  • atwaterandstir
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    Originally posted by PatsFan4ever View Post
    You guys are middled aged men, getting your jimmies rustled on the internet. It's quite clear who has the crappy personal life. 😂
    I don't think you get it man........I'm one of the bros....

    Just like you, I organize my overpriced cologne collection from big to small
    And just like you I have an equally badass black t-shirt collection -that I iron.

    I would arm wrestle you anywhere, anytime and you would smell me coming from 3 blocks away.....bromie

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