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  • baphamet
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    of course arapaho negs me for embarrassing his sorry ass!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    [NOBODY CARES IF FREENEY TAUGHT IT TO THE MORMON TABERNACLE CHOIR... we cared about it being seldom used and vintage
    it is more seldom used than it used to be 20 or 30 years ago which makes it somewhat vintage, that was my point. today's pass rushers are far more about speed rushing (spinning slows them down obviously ) and if it was commonly used then why would two pros von miller and melvin gordon need advice from freeney on how to do it more effectively? because freeney is one of the few that have mastered it and uses it frequently.

    the fact of the matter is, you talked smack for years about ingram and it has all been thrown back in your football ignorant face.

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  • baphamet
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    learn how to multi quote dude, i mean seriously.

    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    when you use a pff fantasy metric stat to justify melvins greatness...it has everything to do with fantasy
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ure-frequency/

    notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has.
    it's PFF, a reference you yourself have used on multiple occasions and a reference that is far more credible than you or i will ever be in terms of judging player performance.

    that said, explain to me how the % of pressures per snap is only a fantasy stat? that's a stat that shows how efficient a pass rusher is per every snap they take. now, it is just for pressures but pressures have a much bigger impact that you obviously think they do.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/sig...nder-pressure/

    ive posted this link before and this is the same kind of information you push aside and claim is a "fantasy stat metric" as if pressures per snap % has anything to do with fantasy football.

    the fact of the matter is, pressures absolutely do have an effect on a lot of plays and you can see in that graphic in the link i posted, on average it has a huge affect.

    oh and a point i have never made before which is relevant, a holding penalty can be better than a sack as well, in fact they are better than most sacks that are not more than 10 yards loses or are strip sacks.

    pressure draws those holding penalties a lot of times of course.

    you always try to pretend i say pressures are better than sacks just because i said they can be better, just like a holding penalty can be better. but the fact remains, pressure has an effect on the outcome of plays and it doesn't always show up on the stat sheet.

    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...99#post4896599
    lol you opened your mouth and look foolish now. if you watched that game today then now you know how pressuring the QB can be better than a sack
    yeah, and? my response above covers any confusion you might have.

    what have you proved...that he is top ten? with more seasons under his belt getting a single sack than seasons with at least 9 sacks, that his first 3 seasons netted him 6 sacks compared to shane ray doubling that in 2...he has had one good season...nothing more
    lets see.....you talked smack to me about my "flashes of dominance" comments, when i said that ingrams main issues have always been health. you said kendall reyas was a better pick than ingram, you called it a wasted pick and a bust.

    but as i told you then, i actually watch the games. i seen "flashes" of a really dominant player but he always got hurt. well, the last two years he has been healthy and he is 7th in sacks among all LB'ers over that period and he is the ranked #6 edge rusher according to PFF last season.

    BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN HEALTHY. he was considered the #6 edge rusher last season yet only had 8 sacks, there is a lot more to ingrams game than just sacks and that was the only point i ever tried to make about that.

    oh and the point about the effectivness of pressure, i think the link i provided pretty much destroys that angle too.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    so, is that a WRAPaho?

    you must be crushed right now, literally years of the same ignorant melvin ingram smack talk slammed directly in your face.

    you too beaglederp!

    really? where?

    your weak smack aint slamming anything

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    so you deny making that hail mary reference when talking about pressures? you deny saying it has an effect 1 out of 1000 times?
    and how in the hell is a pressure per snap stat a fantasy stat? LOL



    it's a stat that shows how often a pass rusher applies pressure per snap, has nothing to do with fantasy.




    it was a fantasy website and had a great article showing you the importance of not just looking at sack numbers like you always do yet deny. i mean right there in that quote you are accusing me of saying a pressure is more important than sack, never once have i ever said that.





    [/B]so who is lying again? do you honestly think it's hilarious i proved you wrong about ingram after all those years of smacking on him? pff has him ranked 6th, hes 7th among LB'er in sacks the last two years......i said when healthy we have seen flashes of dominance and he has been really dominant.




    be a man and admit you were wrong, being in denial about it just makes it more comical lol

    as far as what i said about freeney teaching ingram how to spin, prepare to get owned......




    http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/b...5-3bd4daee203f

    that article is a pretty good read, freeney did it for von miller, melvin ingram, and now beasley. you think you know so damn much but you don't know jack except how to look up sacks numbers and win loss records, ill teach you something bout this game one day boy!

    you deny saying it has an effect 1 out of 1000 times

    another bap lie heres what I said
    I guess because that's the entire content of this thread...bap insisting ingram is one of the best pass rushers because of a fantasy metric stat that uses 'hurries"

    you seem to be defending his opinion on the value of a Hurry,that probably 90 out of a 100 times has zero impact on a play
    it's a stat that shows how often a pass rusher applies pressure per snap, has nothing to do with fantasy.
    when you use a pff fantasy metric stat to justify melvins greatness...it has everything to do with fantasy
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ure-frequency/

    notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has

    pressure is more important than sack, never once have i ever said that.
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...99#post4896599
    lol you opened your mouth and look foolish now. if you watched that game today then now you know how pressuring the QB can be better than a sack


    ......i said when healthy we have seen flashes of dominance and he has been really dominant.


    what have you proved...that he is top ten? with more seasons under his belt getting a single sack than seasons with at least 9 sacks, that his first 3 seasons netted him 6 sacks compared to shane ray doubling that in 2...he has had one good season...
    nothing more..shane ray has shown more in his first two seasons that Melvin in his first three

    as far as what i said about freeney teaching ingram how to spin, prepare to get owned

    and for the 100th time...as we have said over and over...we never contested your story that freeney taught Melvin the spin move, nobody cares if he did, we laugned at your insistence that the spin move was rare and vintage and seldom used in the league
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...26#post5219126
    freeney made a career out of that move and taught it to ingram apparently

    not too many pass rushers use a spin move anymore
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...76#post5219276

    not too many pass rushers use a spin move anymore."

    what part of that statement do you not understand? it's more of a vintage move that way more pass rushers back in the day used vs now


    and again...NOBODY CARES IF FREENEY TAUGHT IT TO THE MORMON TABERNACLE CHOIR... we cared about it being seldom used and vintage
    Last edited by arapaho; 04-24-2017, 01:06 PM.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    baph, as a total outsider I see your argument and I think you are wrong. Yes Denver's O outside of Thomas/Sanders is at best average, but that D will still be top10. All the Broncos need is the O to improve just a little and they will again be relevant in the West. As you say this prediction is pre-draft so an entire draft thrown at the offensive side of the ball may be all they need.
    yeah, if elway has a really good draft which turns into Denver having a much more effective and consistent running game, i could see them being a contender and i have said that. but i don't agree that the offense just needs to improve a little, they need to improve a lot.

    the reason being is i just don't see that defense continuing to be an elite top 3 defense like they have been in the past. they took a step back last season and now minus wade Philips i see them taking yet another.

    don't forget, that defense was good but not great before wade got there with basically the same core of players. not to mention that Denver was one of the more healthy teams in the NFL last season, they will need to remain that healthy.

    because a couple key injuries on defense will absolutely cripple that team IMO without a vastly improved offense.

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  • bears6385
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    baph, as a total outsider I see your argument and I think you are wrong. Yes Denver's O outside of Thomas/Sanders is at best average, but that D will still be top10. All the Broncos need is the O to improve just a little and they will again be relevant in the West. As you say this prediction is pre-draft so an entire draft thrown at the offensive side of the ball may be all they need.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    if i didn't just own you bad enough, here is another for good measure.

    http://www.chargers.com/video/2015/0...rams-spin-move

    "Dwight is a big reason for that spin move and a guy named chuck smith......Dwight really showed me how to do it though" -melvin ingram



    [email protected] arapaho claiming i am wrong 95% of the time, dude doesn't have the slightest clue what the hell he is talking about
    so, is that a WRAPaho?

    you must be crushed right now, literally years of the same ignorant melvin ingram smack talk slammed directly in your face.

    you too beaglederp!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    If you face that many injuries, it's an issue of strength and conditioning...It's still a problem with your team sucking no matter how bad you want to try and spin it into a positive. You can make excuse after excuse after excuse but your team has 9 wins in 2 seasons. That's the bottom freaking line baph. Dress it up however you feel like to help you sleep at night...We had as many wins in one year last year (when our team supposedly wasn't as "well rounded" as yours) as your team had in two years. Period...
    1. they fired their strength and conditioning coach

    2. i'm not a doctor but it seems to me having 9 guys go down with knee ligament tears might just be a freak thing, i'm not sure how you strengthen a knee ligament other than stretching.

    3. yes, if the injuries continue like they have the chargers will likely miss the playoffs again but that's what you are banking on and i have to believe these injury issues will not continue to that degree.

    all you are doing is going back and looking at win loss records from last year and the year before to justify why the chargers suck and why they will continue to do so.

    on week 1 when our teams face you will not see a depleted chargers team that is missing multiple key guys on both sides of the ball, you will see for yourself what i am talking about.

    when healthy the chargers are more well rounded than the broncos, meaning they have multiple good players on offense and defense and have a QB who is the leader of that team, not just defense like the broncos.

    when i say well rounded, that's what that means. it doesn't mean how deep your team is at certain positions....it doesn't mean how many wins your team had. you seem like a smart guy frey and it's odd to me you can't figure that out.

    who the hell is arguing that the broncos are not one dimensional and only good on defense? that's what they are at this point. with wade your defensive mastermind now gone, it will be interesting to see if the defense can still be elite and carry the offense.

    even last year they couldn't do it with wade. my guess is if elway has a fantastic draft and gets a really good back (doesn't have to be mccaffrey, this draft is deep) and draft a LT in the first, they might be able to get that running game going and with your QB situation that's an absolute must if you want to compete for the playoffs IMO.
    Last edited by baphamet; 04-21-2017, 10:08 AM.

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  • Three peat
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    Originally posted by Beagle View Post
    So you assume you wont face the Broncos in the playoffs I am guessing? We all know what happens in that instance
    Doncos have to make the playoffs first before that can be discussed.

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    you mean teams with 5 or 6 RB's? 7 or 8 receivers? you are right that the deeper teams can withstand injuries better, that's not what i'm talking about here. being deep doesn't apply when you are signing guys off the street because you have so many.

    i ask again, find me a team that has had more guys on IR in a 3 year span than the chargers have had, go back 20 years if you like. then realize the chargers have had a 25th or worse OL ranking the last 3 years which no other team has.

    every team has injuries yes....no team has been as injured as the chargers over the last few years, it's simply a fact. maybe the chargers continue to be that injury prone? maybe they continue to have a horrendous OL?

    sure, but that's what it will take for the chargers to be bad again, that's what all of you are banking on if you think the chargers are still that same team they were at the end of last season.
    If you face that many injuries, it's an issue of strength and conditioning...It's still a problem with your team sucking no matter how bad you want to try and spin it into a positive. You can make excuse after excuse after excuse but your team has 9 wins in 2 seasons. That's the bottom freaking line baph. Dress it up however you feel like to help you sleep at night...We had as many wins in one year last year (when our team supposedly wasn't as "well rounded" as yours) as your team had in two years. Period...

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by hardwork View Post
    The only schedule in the NFL that matters:

    New England Patriots 2017 regular season schedule

    Thursday
    Sep. 7 Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET NBC

    Sunday
    Sep. 17 Saints at New Orleans Saints Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans, LA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday
    Sep. 24 Texans Houston Texans Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Oct. 1 Panthers Carolina Panthers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    FOX

    Thursday Oct. 5 Buccaneers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, FL 8:25pm ET
    CBS/NFLN

    Sunday Oct. 15 Jets at New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Oct. 22 Falcons Atlanta Falcons Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET
    NBC

    Sunday Oct. 29 Chargers Los Angeles Chargers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Nov. 5 BYE

    Sunday Nov. 12 Broncos at Denver Broncos Sports Authority Field at Mile High, Denver, CO 8:30pm ET
    NBC

    Sunday Nov. 19 Raiders at Oakland Raiders Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Mexico 4:25pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Nov. 26 Dolphins Miami Dolphins Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Dec. 3 Bills at Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Monday Dec. 11 Dolphins at Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL 8:30pm ET
    ESPN

    Sunday Dec. 17 Steelers at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 4:25pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Dec. 24 Bills Buffalo Bills Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Sunday Dec. 31 Jets New York Jets Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
    CBS

    Super Bowl: Patriots vs. To be announced
    Last time the Pats played the chiefs in week one, Brady took a Pollard to the knee.

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  • baphamet
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    here is another one for arapaho and beagle

    if i didn't just own you bad enough, here is another for good measure.

    http://www.chargers.com/video/2015/0...rams-spin-move

    "Dwight is a big reason for that spin move and a guy named chuck smith......Dwight really showed me how to do it though" -melvin ingram



    [email protected] arapaho claiming i am wrong 95% of the time, dude doesn't have the slightest clue what the hell he is talking about
    Last edited by baphamet; 04-21-2017, 10:04 AM.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    Every team has injuries. Well rounded teams are setup to overcome them. Teams that are not well rounded do not. Every year we hear you beat the drum of the injury excuse, it's a weak and somewhat pathetic excuse. Injuries apparently only matter when it's the chargers facing them.
    you mean teams with 5 or 6 RB's? 7 or 8 receivers? you are right that the deeper teams can withstand injuries better, that's not what i'm talking about here. being deep doesn't apply when you are signing guys off the street because you have so many.

    i ask again, find me a team that has had more guys on IR in a 3 year span than the chargers have had, go back 20 years if you like. then realize the chargers have had a 25th or worse OL ranking the last 3 years which no other team has.

    every team has injuries yes....no team has been as injured as the chargers over the last few years, it's simply a fact. maybe the chargers continue to be that injury prone? maybe they continue to have a horrendous OL?

    sure, but that's what it will take for the chargers to be bad again, that's what all of you are banking on if you think the chargers are still that same team they were at the end of last season.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Beagle View Post
    Barphs still trying to twist that old argument? Whats next that Nobody does the spin move anymore ...except Ingram that is..lol
    read post above and realize how football ignorant both of you are.

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